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re: UPDATE: Body found in Brian Laundrie search
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:01 pm to Chicken
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:01 pm to Chicken
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Hitting a partner on purpose would count.
what if it is part of retaliation?
i wonder if we would have had a different outcome had the police kept them apart overnight then asked her again (alone) to tell them what happened vs the agitated/emotional state she was in with her fiance standing 10 feet away.
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Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:maybe so. or maybe…
Nobody excluded the possibility that he was also an abuser.
quote:
Recognizing Battered Woman Syndrome
Women suffering from BWS share certain observable characteristics. Speaking with a battered woman should reveal these characteristics and help to identify her as sufferer of BWS. The common characteristics of BWS women are as follows:
She takes full responsibility over the abuse, and finds it difficult or impossible to blame the abuser himself;
She fears for her safety;
She irrationally believes that the abuser is all-powerful and will hurt her if she contacts the authorities and seeks help.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:01 pm to CAD703X
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the fairer sex is also the more passionate and emotional sex and as a man my job is to de-escalate the situation
In the video, this is basically what he did.
He says he tried to leave so she could cool off and she got even more mad. He told her to calm down and she hit him. He pushed her away b/c he was driving while she was hitting him. etc.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
He knew her triggers. And she caught his.
Maybe when they find him he can tell us why he was slapping her
Maybe when they find him he can tell us why he was slapping her
This post was edited on 9/20/21 at 1:02 pm
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Humans create narratives in their mind. We really love villains and heroes/victims, in particular.
We also need order in the world. The best way of falsely constructing that order is to create a clear picture of good and evil. The only problem is that the picture is rarely ever that clear.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:02 pm to LSUgirl4
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She takes full responsibility over the abuse
You're misusing this. It's already been brought up today. What HE did in that video is what this is speaking of.
It would work in the video if she said he hit her b/c she was freaking out, but that's not what happened. She hit him b/c she was freaking out.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:02 pm to CAD703X
Yea but there are many others out there that don’t think that way.
This is what slo keeps trying to say. Your world view is such that you could never justify some form of retaliation while others can.
This is what slo keeps trying to say. Your world view is such that you could never justify some form of retaliation while others can.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:sure, but pair this with the 911 call, and him locking her out of HER van, would you say that changes things?
It counts still, but in the video he clearly says he pushed her away when she was hitting him. It wasn't retaliation.
She says she hit him b/c he told her to calm down
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to Damone
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I don't think a good defense strategy would be "well yeah he strangled her, but she was alive when he left her there in the wilderness on her own"
I didn't say they would come out and say he strangled her. His defense would be he left her alive and well. If there is no physical evidence that it was foul play/murder that killed her the burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt comes in to play.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to tgrbaitn08
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from a witness reporting that he saw the van and he witnessed BL slapping Gabby
Think he had scratches as well. Could be defensive wounds.
But that video is a wildcard. I wouldn't put too much into it, we have no clue what preceded.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to LSUgirl4
The guy had scratches, bruises, and a swollen eye during the police stop in Utah. It doesn’t seem like she was overly afraid of him.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to King
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Say he never talks and the defense goes with he left her alive.
Then if he strangled her and due to decomposition and animals feeding on the corpse there is no soft tissue evidence. Dude could get away with it due to a lack of evidence.
In the case of strangulation, there would be a little broken bone in her neck. Starts with an H, can't remember the name though. Otherwise, blunt force trauma would appear on the skull, stab wounds should be noticable too.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:did he tell his/her parents and end the trip after this?
He says he tried to leave so she could cool off and she got even more mad. He told her to calm down and she hit him. He pushed her away b/c he was driving while she was hitting him. etc.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:05 pm to Chicken
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This is going to throw a curveball into the group calling her the abuser in the relationship...
What's crazy is that 911 call doesn't match what the cops discuss at 21mins in on the bodycam footage.
Full body am footage
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:05 pm to Chicken
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sure, but pair this with the 911 call,
But that's just one person's call. We don't actually know anything about that situation. And it's unlikely, but possible, that it wasn't even about BL/GP. We all thought when we first heard there was a video of a domestic incident it would be him being violent with her. It took an hour+ video that clearly showed that wasn't the case to convince some people the initial narrative/belief was wrong, and some still are trying to contort reality to fit that initial narrative/belief.
Yeah, the new call means it's possible he was abusive, too, but (1) nobody really argued otherwise (that was only strawman arguments created by Roger, crimson, CAD, et al) and (2) the video is more about her abuse and how it opens up all sorts of non-murder scenarios. It doesn't exclude murder scenarios, but simply includes countless non-murder ones.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:05 pm to bamapoet
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The guy had scratches, bruises, and a swollen eye during the police stop in Utah.
Scratches are often defensive wounds.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:06 pm to Chicken
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sure, but pair this with the 911 call, and him locking her out of HER van, would you say that changes things?
I've seen it asked here, but not answered. At what point does that van they were living in also become a shared domicile, thus making it, at least legally, part his?
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:06 pm to LSUgirl4
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She takes full responsibility over the abuse, and finds it difficult or impossible to blame the abuser himself;
So the scratch wounds on Brian were done by Brian, and Gabby took responsibility falsely?
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:06 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Many a murder via strangulation has been proven without soft tissue. The hyoid bone says hi.
Did not know about that bone, but it only fractures in 1/3 to 1/2 of strangulations. I was just pointing out that without some physical trauma to the skeleton evidence of a murder may be hard to come by due to decomposition or animals. Just speculating like the rest to possible outcomes.
Posted on 9/20/21 at 1:07 pm to rooster108bm
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What's crazy is that 911 call doesn't match what the cops discuss at 21mins in on the bodycam footage.
Full body am footage
I THINK these are 2 different incidents.
The one released today is not very helpful, but it seems it was in a town. The one with the video clearly is not.
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