re: Update: 13 Dead in Mass Shooting - Thousand Oaks, California

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Also these shootings are typically carried out by people that have no difficulty with basic human needs, they are typically mentally damaged. That’s what bothers me most about a lot of these mass shooting situations, typically the perp is “flagged” I always here they were monitoring these people but later determined they are ok. Like comon there has to be a reason they pop up on the radar, why let these people roam freely and purchase weapons without first completing lengthy evaluations of them. At worst these evaluations can place some stress on these identified targets and possibly get them to show signs their mental guard wouldn’t otherwise allow. Idk these situations make me sad/angry and I’m just spitballing.

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My SO has an old friend from HS who she's in contact with once in a while. Severely bipolar. Nice enough guy when his meds are working, a loose cannon when they're not, like now. Currently unemployed due to a fight with his boss, estranged from his family and an ex due to anger issues. My SO has recently incurred his ire over something inconsequential.

Do I think he's at risk to shoot a place up? Probably not, but I wouldn't be shocked if he did either. What do you do with somebody like that?

I'll bet he voted for Trump.

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Oh nvm, you’re just a contrarian douche that trolls every board posting the opposite of what the OP says.

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Why don't you apologize and admit you were an incorrect racist for once?

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The .45 would cause more damage than 5.56 in close range like that. Especially if he has using hollow points of some sort.

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At any range, a 5.56 will cause more damage than any pistol round.

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but if you have a crisis unit at your home to determine whether you should be committed to a mental institution, you should not be able to purchase or own a handgun for quite some time. Downvote away.

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You aren't going to get one from me. I agree. I will add that you shouldn't be able to own a gun period after that. Mental shite just doesn't go away. You can medicate it, but it's always going to be there, like herpes.

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The way PTSD is used so loosely and as an excuse, its revolting. PTSD doesn't make someone beat their wife, it doesn't make you commit mass murder, etc.

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I think in a tremendous amount of cases, PTSD is the culprit for crimes such as domestic violence or murder of a spouse. Not to mention self-inflicted harm, suicide. It's been this way for decades.

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Oh nvm, you’re just a contrarian douche that trolls every board posting the opposite of what the OP says.

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Sticking to the facts = contrarian douche. Sweet.

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Do larger rounds fragment more on impact than the higher velocity rounds?

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Depends on if it's full metal jacket, hollowpoint, etc.

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And obviuosly we are talking about a bar in this case, but overall mass shooting have involved wrifles. That is why I am asking about them.

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Incorrect. Mass shootings are classified as anytime 4 or more people are killed at random. By that definition, handguns are by far the worst perpetrators. Long rifle deaths account for a total of 3% of gun violence deaths.

Here is a fun question: Why is one of these guns demonized but the other isn't?

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This will not go well on here, but if you have a crisis unit at your home to determine whether you should be committed to a mental institution, you should not be able to purchase or own a handgun for quite some time. Downvote away.

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I would hope everyone agrees with you.

I will say though, after watching A Dangerous Son on HBO, and seeing just how hard it was for those mothers to get the appropriate help for their sons who were undoubtedly battling severe mental health issues, it swayed me a bit.

We obviously need more restraints in place to prevent these folks from getting guns. But goddamn, behavioral health help for the low income communities is virtually impossible to obtain.

I know, I know. Gun control vs mental health. PICK YOUR SIDE BAW. But that doc left me in a weird, fricked up place, mentally. And we are no where near correcting the issue.

If we'd just ban guns in this country Muslims would stop killing people.