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re: UPDATE 265 Class Liftboat capsizes . New survivor story. Page 77
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:37 pm to biohzrd
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:37 pm to biohzrd
I’m not advocating one response vs. another. I’m saying waiting on weather this long is unacceptable. If there is a chance that men are still alive in the boat, best efforts need to be deployed to save them, and they need to be made immediately.
If any armchair admirals here disagree, that’s their prerogative, but I don’t see how we can’t do better based on what is being reported.
If any armchair admirals here disagree, that’s their prerogative, but I don’t see how we can’t do better based on what is being reported.
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Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:38 pm to Athanatos
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I’m not advocating one response vs. another. I’m saying waiting on weather this long is unacceptable. If there is a chance that men are still alive in the boat, best efforts need to be deployed to save them, and they need to be made immediately. If any armchair admirals here disagree, that’s their prerogative, but I don’t see how we can’t do better based on what is being reported.
To be fair we are all here speculating with almost no real time information. I’ll give the rescue folks the benefit of the doubt as they’re the ones putting their lives on the line for those men
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:42 pm to Athanatos
So, you think the divers should dive in unsafe conditions for a maybe?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:49 pm to TDTOM
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So, you think the divers should dive in unsafe conditions for a maybe?
That’s exactly what they think. Unbelievable
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:50 pm to TDTOM
What are the chances of a air pocket forming? Is it a pretty good chance?
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:51 pm to GeauxTime9
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What are the chances of a air pocket forming? Is it a pretty good chance?
I'd imagine you pretty much always have them on a wreck, especially one like that. Being able to find and/or get to one is the issue.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 8:55 pm to LegendInMyMind
At this point I am worried that if they are all together they may be using all the oxygen and releasing a bunch of CO2. I almost wish they would be in smaller groups. I know betters can’t be choosers.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:09 pm to TDTOM
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So, you think the divers should dive in unsafe conditions for a maybe?
I wasn’t advocating for any particular course of action, just action. When the stakes are high, and 12 lives are at risk, the acceptable risk to the rescuer obviously changes.
Ignore rescue for a moment and consider the fact that we still don’t know if anyone is alive inside. With all of the technology available, they can’t get any data from inside the vessel? You believe that there is no ROV, drone, robot, etc. that can enter the hull or obtain better information.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:19 pm to Athanatos
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With all of the technology available, they can’t get any data from inside the vessel? You believe that there is no ROV, drone, robot, etc. that can enter the hull or obtain better information.
And you just expect all that technology to just be immediately ready to mobilize in less than a few hours in the middle of some of the worse unexpected weather we’ve seen all year during a time where the oilfield is at Its lowest it’s been in decades?
Where do we get these robots, drones and ROV’s on such a short notice?
Who’s going to operate them?
How do we get all this equipment to the location?
Whats a reasonable time frame that would satisfy you?
It’s been 48 hours. Should all these resources be on standby 24/7/365 and ready to be deployed within a few hours?
The fricking US Navy isn’t even prepared for this type of search and rescue
You people are just not understanding how complicated this operation is.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:21 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:22 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Where do we get these robots, drones and ROV’s on such a short notice?
Amazon Prime
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:29 pm to tgrbaitn08
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You people are just not understanding how complicated this operation is.
“ You people “
I understand.
Boy oh boy you have your hands full of “tete dure’s ” today. I just caught up on the thread.
Do you know if any of these plans have been approved by the deckhand from Florida?
You know it is possible that on one of his seafaring adventures he may have passed by the “rigs”.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:29 pm to Athanatos
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With all of the technology available, they can’t get any data from inside the vessel?
X-ray glasses. We need these for the rescue and the quad.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:32 pm to Bigfishchoupique
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Bigfishchoupique
Lol you know I’m not talking about you
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Boy oh boy you have your hands full of “tete dure’s ” today. I just caught up on the thread.
Do you know if any of these plans have been approved by the deckhand from Florida?
You know it is possible that on one of his seafaring adventures he may have passed by the “rigs”.
I’m done with these tards. Going pop some wine and watch Dirty Money on Netflix
Have fun
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:32 pm to tgrbaitn08
The complicated part is probably the bureaucracy of response management.
I 100% believe the technology exists. They have been using robots to find mine collapse survivors for many years. Don’t exaggerate the costs and complexity of mobilization when private planes are available to move men and material in hours.
Fast enough that any air pockets don’t expire, so it has to be pretty fast if you don’t know your deadline.
I 100% believe the technology exists. They have been using robots to find mine collapse survivors for many years. Don’t exaggerate the costs and complexity of mobilization when private planes are available to move men and material in hours.
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Whats a reasonable time frame that would satisfy you?
Fast enough that any air pockets don’t expire, so it has to be pretty fast if you don’t know your deadline.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:35 pm to tgrbaitn08
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You people are just not understanding how complicated this operation is.
This has been my thought regarding people wanting immediate action/answers for the past day plus.
I understand the urgency and the desire for updates/action, but jumping all over the CG's shite (ultimately it may be deserved. It will come to light) for not "doing something", "just throwing hammers" or whatever has been done to this point is a rush to judgement.
I have ZERO expertise in the matter of rescuing/recovering these poor guys, but understand you can't just throw shite at the wall to see what works. Definitely takes planning and preparation so there's not more injury/loss of life.
Here's hoping for the best and that God may have favor on those poor baws and the rescue/recovery personnel.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:36 pm to Bigfishchoupique
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Boy oh boy you have your hands full of “tete dure’s ” today.
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:39 pm to tgrbaitn08
While I’ll give you some benefit of the doubt because supply chains everywhere have been garbage during “Covid season” the oilfield has historically and still does (especially in an emergency) work on a “I need it yesterday”schedule. Any and everything beneficial to the search and rescue could be deployed in short notice.
The continued weather actually bought them time to plan/ mobilize additional/specialty equipment.
Weather really hurt the early hours/days of the immediate response operations but under current conditions this hasn’t been the CG finest hours.
The continued weather actually bought them time to plan/ mobilize additional/specialty equipment.
Weather really hurt the early hours/days of the immediate response operations but under current conditions this hasn’t been the CG finest hours.
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:41 pm to BigBrod81
Can you tell I’m from Houma?
This post was edited on 4/15/21 at 9:41 pm
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:41 pm to Athanatos
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f any armchair admirals here disagree, that’s their prerogative, but I don’t see how we can’t do better based on what is being reported
Are you a commercial diver? Have you ever been involved in planning commercial dive jobs? If not then sit back captain lazyboy!!
Your talking about commercial divers who are as salty as they come who get off on doing difficult things in the complete darkness and high current. This is not just a simple job the wave action alone at the depth they are working will be like being in a washing machine, couple that with we don’t know what the status of the vessel is!! It may be about to topple over, where’s the crane at is it about to turn loose amongst the wreckage??!!
and what if the waves take us into the barge and we have to pull away real hard and we drag a diver out the door he just went in and kill him!!??
That’s what they are dealing with right now and that’s why they haven’t jumped!
Posted on 4/15/21 at 9:45 pm to BigBrod81
Not directing this to the last post. Just easier to reply. These pockets are designed by the doors that are installed. If everything is built to design and the doors aren't opened, you'll have rooms for survival.
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