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Unjust laws: drinking and smoking age. Let's have an honest discussion.

Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:35 pm
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36636 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:35 pm
(OT has better shot at this than Poli-circle jerk board does. Some of us are rational here.)


I'm not going to lay out the argument of "you can fight and die in a war for your country", or the responsibility to vote, or support yourself/get married.

Others will do that. And those are valid arguments.

Mine is the death penalty/ life without parole angle.

If we can say, with a straight face, that someone is responsible enough for their actions to be sentenced to death or life imprisonment, how can we then say they are not responsible enough to consume alcohol and tobacco?

How can we say a 15 or 16 year old is enough of an adult to be charged as one, but then say they cannot be responsible enough to decide what to do with their bodies?


We cant have it both ways and consider ourselves a fair society.

These two age limits are unjust. And we should not support this type of oppression on our society.





Now...I am willing to compromise: we can keep these safe limits, but raise the legal age to qualify for the death penalty and life without parole to 21.


Fair enough?


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"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
Thomas Jefferson
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26338 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to
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I'm not going to lay out the argument of "you can fight and die in a war for your country", or the responsibility to vote, or support yourself/get married.
^ That....and the fact that an 18 year old is considered mature enough to enter themselves into legally binding contracts is why 21 for smoking/drinking age makes no sense
Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10764 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to
The death penalty isn't relevant in Louisiana right now as it hasn't been used in over 10 years.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
26806 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to
I vote to move it to 35.
Posted by undrafted
DHA
Member since Oct 2009
1008 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to
When I am governor drinking age will be 18. Who needs federal funding for roads. Less roads = less drunk driving.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:39 pm to

If life begins at conception, why did we have to wait the extra 9 months?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
67002 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:41 pm to
The way I look at it is that it's illegal to drink until you are responsible enough at 21.

It's illegal to murder at any age.
Posted by arcalades
USA
Member since Feb 2014
19276 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:43 pm to
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, but raise the legal age to qualify for the death penalty and life without parole to 21.
I don't disagree with that. minors being charged as adults has long bothered me. It's beyond nuts and crazy. I'm not opposed to serious consequences, but I hate the evil and hypocrisy of why prosecutors, judges, etc do this stuff.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
11346 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:43 pm to
I wasn’t any more mature at 21 than I was at 18. Probably didn’t really mature until like 2 years ago when I turned 25
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36636 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:44 pm to
quote:

The way I look at it is that it's illegal to drink until you are responsible enough at 21.

It's illegal to murder at any age.



But how can you say someone under 21 is responsible enough for their actions to warrant such extreme penalties, but not smoke a cigarette?
Posted by AMS
Member since Apr 2016
6541 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:46 pm to
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If life begins at conception, why did we have to wait the extra 9 months?




Why does a human need ~9 months of gestation....? Thats just kind of the way it is. Like the sky is blue, water is wet. Humans just take a few months to brew up. You might as well be asking reasons why a should newborn wait until its A bit more grown to drink alcohol.
Posted by Kafka
I am the moral conscience of TD
Member since Jul 2007
159054 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:46 pm to
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I vote to move it to 35
make the voting age 35
Posted by Mor Miles
Member since Apr 2017
477 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:47 pm to
I'd rather lower the drinking/smoking age than raise the death penalty age. If you can't understand why you shouldn't kill a human being at 13, IDC if you rot in hell.
Posted by magildachunks
Member since Oct 2006
36636 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

I'd rather lower the drinking/smoking age than raise the death penalty age.


Same here
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50943 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:52 pm to
Daddy government treats us all like children when they want to take something away.

We're only adults when they need something from us.
Posted by Mor Miles
Member since Apr 2017
477 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 10:58 pm to
quote:

Daddy government treats us all like children when they want to take something away.

We're only adults when they need something from us.


Are you kidding? We are forever children in their eyes, incapable of making any informed decisions for ourselves without their "divine" intervention.
Posted by rickyh
Positiger Nation
Member since Dec 2003
13190 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:32 pm to
We were allowed to drink when we were 18. But most of us were out of our parents home by 21 and were married. The Viet Nam war was ending and the average age of the soldier there was 19. Those were the days. You want to act like an adult be one.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
TeamBunt General Manager
Member since Apr 2013
62514 posts
Posted on 2/10/20 at 11:47 pm to
I don’t care about the death penalty but the voting age absolutely needs to be raised to at least 25.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:25 am to
Do you also believe 25 should be the minimum age for conscription?
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
21814 posts
Posted on 2/11/20 at 12:29 am to
No
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