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re: Unjust laws: drinking and smoking age. Let's have an honest discussion.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:07 am to OKellsBells
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:07 am to OKellsBells
quote:No because the same neurological reasons that make 18 year olds terrible voters make them good soldiers.
Do you also believe 25 should be the minimum age for conscription?
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Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:31 am to magildachunks
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Unjust laws: drinking and smoking
And why the frick is it illegal to own a still and use it to make alcohol from fermenting plants?
The red tape ends up costing in the hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get a permit to make whiskey or vodka for one's own consumption.
Our government is retarded.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 1:32 am to rickyh
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We were allowed to drink when we were 18. But most of us were out of our parents home by 21 and were married. The Viet Nam war was ending and the average age of the soldier there was 19. Those were the days. You want to act like an adult be one.
I'm not one to throw this around lightly.... but......
OK BOOMER.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 3:57 am to magildachunks
When I see some of the immaturity displayed in this forum. I think perhaps we should raise the drinking, smoking, and voting age to 35.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:46 am to magildachunks
It’s been proven that people who start drinking at a younger age are much more likely to develop alcohol use disorders/alcoholism. People aren’t fully mature until 25 or so, shite I’m in the latter part of my 30s and still feel like I’m maturing. People need to learn to deal with their emotions and problems in a healthy way in adolescence and young adulthood and not resort to alcohol or violence. i see little to no true benefit to a younger drinking age and significant risks.
While I understand your argument I believe reconsidering sentencing guidelines for 15-21 year olds may be in order. Based on what I know about the brain it seems that these people would have a much better chance at becoming productive citizens at some point. its not just a sociological issue it’s an economic one as the costs of life imprisonment, factoring in opportunity costs as well, is massive.
While I understand your argument I believe reconsidering sentencing guidelines for 15-21 year olds may be in order. Based on what I know about the brain it seems that these people would have a much better chance at becoming productive citizens at some point. its not just a sociological issue it’s an economic one as the costs of life imprisonment, factoring in opportunity costs as well, is massive.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 4:51 am
Posted on 2/11/20 at 4:48 am to magildachunks
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Mine is the death penalty/ life without parole angle.
If we can say, with a straight face, that someone is responsible enough for their actions to be sentenced to death or life imprisonment, how can we then say they are not responsible enough to consume alcohol and tobacco?
How can we say a 15 or 16 year old is enough of an adult to be charged as one, but then say they cannot be responsible enough to decide what to do with their bodies?
This is the dumbest argument I've heard for lowering the age limit. But yea OP if you're trashy enough to get the death penalty at 15 they should let you smoke while you're there.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:13 am to magildachunks
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How can we say a 15 or 16 year old is enough of an adult to be charged as one, but then say they cannot be responsible enough to decide what to do with their bodies?
Agreed. But with the known chronic health effects of smoking, shouldn’t we exempt the US government from paying for health care related to this personal, non-essential to life choice?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:17 am to dbeck
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nd why the frick is it illegal to own a still and use it to make alcohol from fermenting plants?
The red tape ends up costing in the hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get a permit to make whiskey or vodka for one's own consumption.
Because it’s lucrative for the government and the established distillers already paid the fees and like the limit on competition
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:20 am to NewOrleansBlend
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People need to learn to deal with their emotions and problems in a healthy way in adolescence and young adulthood and not resort to alcohol or violence.
So banning a young, precocious teenager from alcohol and tobacco is your route from stopping them from using them? Yeah that works great.
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People need to learn to deal with their emotions and problems in a healthy way in adolescence and young adulthood and not resort to alcohol or violence. i see little to no true benefit to a younger drinking age and significant risks.
Except for deemphasizing the act as anything special and allowing for the children to first learn to drink with their parents in a potentially responsible and controlled manner. That way they understand how to manage/control themselves and not binge drink to black out with their friends.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:26 am to magildachunks
There’s not one mentally capable person that doesn’t understand the gravity of death at 15. I believe the concept of death becomes more of a concrete concept around 10 years of age.
Kids see adults drink and smoke all the time. They are more apt to correlate that to being acceptable. They never see casual murder like they see a casual beer.
I see what you’re doing but it’s apples and oranges.
Kids see adults drink and smoke all the time. They are more apt to correlate that to being acceptable. They never see casual murder like they see a casual beer.
I see what you’re doing but it’s apples and oranges.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:33 am to Oilfieldbiology
I didn’t say anything about outlawing kids learning to drink responsibly with their parents. That’s good parenting and not illegal as far as I know.
As for your first statement, i never argued it was my “route”, nice straw man argument. There are many factors. Are you arguing that legal age to buy alcohol has no effect on access to alcohol?
As for your first statement, i never argued it was my “route”, nice straw man argument. There are many factors. Are you arguing that legal age to buy alcohol has no effect on access to alcohol?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 5:59 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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No because the same neurological reasons that make 18 year olds terrible voters make them good soldiers.
Good enough to die for other people's gain but not good enough to have a say in anything. I don't know what to say about the selfishness and hypocrisy of that if you can't already see it.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:04 am to magildachunks
The politicians use the argument that drinking and smoking is bad for your health at 18 because your body/brain is still developing. I think it’s BS, but that’s the argument you have to appeal, not the argument of being responsible.
What gets me is why doesn’t any politician speak out against this? Why doesn’t anyone run on and try to change the age back to 18? No, it won’t happen right away, but the movement needs to start somewhere.
What gets me is why doesn’t any politician speak out against this? Why doesn’t anyone run on and try to change the age back to 18? No, it won’t happen right away, but the movement needs to start somewhere.
This post was edited on 2/11/20 at 6:07 am
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:37 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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No because the same neurological reasons that make 18 year olds terrible voters make them good soldiers.
So they just shouldn't get any say in who decides what causes they have to go die for?
That's pretty evil.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:45 am to magildachunks
Also, logic dictates that you can't be charged as an adult for MIP - an element of the "crime" is being a minor.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:47 am to Bestbank Tiger
You'll lose your mind trying to apply logic to governmental policy.
It does make sense, when you look at who it benefits. And it usually ain't you or me.
It does make sense, when you look at who it benefits. And it usually ain't you or me.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 6:50 am to magildachunks
Louisiana wanted to keep it at 18. The Federal Government swung it's dick and said fine, but you won't get your federal highway money. Louisiana promptly changed to 21. This happened in 1995.
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:22 am to magildachunks
I'm sorry, I thought this was the USA. I thought this was a FREE COUNTRY. Where the frick is all of the goddamn FREEDOM?
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:32 am to WaydownSouth
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I wasn’t any more mature at 21 than I was at 18. Probably didn’t really mature until like 2 years ago when I turned 25
This. If we're waiting for kids to mature then 21 isn't the answer...
Posted on 2/11/20 at 7:42 am to magildachunks
Government at its very core is not something that protects our liberty, it restricts it.
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