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re: University of Alabama proposes changes to core curriculum: Lit and History not required

Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:02 am to
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
5605 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:02 am to
overall reduction in hours of an already bloated system.

requiring statistics which is more important in most science fields

more flexibility to students.

seem like positive changes.
Posted by Dawgwithnoname
NE Louisiana
Member since Dec 2019
4278 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:04 am to
Just an extension of what is going on in private industry. They can't hit certain targets, so they, being actual racists, believe that they have to lower standards to hit those targets.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
53259 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:04 am to
If you don't actually want to learn, you really shouldn't be going to a 4 year university.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19822 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:04 am to
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Do you write for the Advocate?


Read the rest of the post. The reduction is merely for hours. They can elect to take courses in other fields and skip lit and history.
Posted by lowhound
Effie
Member since Aug 2014
8653 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:04 am to
I think every university should make public speaking and business writing a requirement. It doesn't matter what your major, those will help every student in the long run.
Posted by BaddestAndvari
That Overweight Racist State
Member since Mar 2011
18578 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:09 am to
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I think every university should make public speaking and business writing a requirement.


I agree on Business Writing but not on Public Speaking.

I used to think Public Speaking should be required as well but I've talked to a bunch of people in my professional life that talk about their Speech or Public Speaking classes with absolute horror and because of that it did them no good.

I think a better class that should be required is "business communication" - or interpersonal / small group discussion. This can be for meeting prep, business discussion (for future co-workers), interview skills, etc. The biggest issue with "Public Speaking" is there are so many introverts in the world that will never really communicate in their professional fields with more than 3-4 people at a time, so we need to work on those skills much more than 8+ people at a time.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281899 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:09 am to
quote:

seem like positive changes.



All they are saying is the previous requirements weren't necessary and they've been wrong all along.

That goes for all academic rules they roll back in the name of pampering the underserved.

Posted by BRich
Old Metairie
Member since Aug 2017
2531 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:09 am to
And it continues...

Call me an old man (graduated from LSU in 1986 with a BA, then got my master's from Georgia Tech in 1989) but they are simply making it easier on students and in the process dumbing down our society.

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Reduction of writing-intensive requirement from 6 to 3 credit hours

It's a constant trend, but nothing new. When I was at Georgia Tech, I was talking with my then-girlfriend's boss, a 1970 Florida State grad. He told me that he decided to pursue a criminal justice major at FSU because he found that was the one track he could take in which he never had to write anything, just take multiple choice or fill-in-the-blank tests. He boasted that he never wrote an essay or paper or had to buy a blue book his whole stint in college.

Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281899 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:11 am to
The university of Alabama is trying to shed their elitist image and placate the average student.

We all know that the Gumps have an elitist reputation.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37701 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:11 am to
Idiotic.
Posted by alpinetiger
Salt Lake City
Member since Apr 2017
5864 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:12 am to
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literature or a history course

quote:

From my experience, these were BS, easy courses to fill our your schedule anyways.

Not at Auburn. A year requirement of History and your answers for tests were long-form essays. Typically 3-4 questions covering a period in world (or european) history. It would always take a couple of weeks to get your test grade back because the TA's had to grade by hand. A required year of Great Books (the name of the class) that was like an english comp class with with a large reading component. Also long-form essay tests. This was late '90's so it might be watered down shite currently for all I know.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32627 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:12 am to
It’s only logical that Alabama chase Auburn to lower depths of academic excellence. I think they still have coloring books in the Auburn library.
Posted by PJinAtl
Atlanta
Member since Nov 2007
13440 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:14 am to
Probably not the worst idea in the world.

Yes, a university experience/education should expose you to a multitude of areas, but I certainly think that more classes in major are a good thing.

I graduated Auburn with an Information Systems Management degree and walked out taking five or six courses in the college of business that focused on computers (one being an intro to telecom and networking, the others were in depth on Java, PHP, databases [Oracle and SQL], and IT project management). Now I had done several programming courses in college of engineering before changing majors.

I am also of the mindset of why should a history major who plans on researching/writing/teaching for a living need to take anything other than a basic level business math or stats class? There is a 99% chance they won't need any type of calculus or advanced math (linear differential equations) in their planned career, so why make them suffer through it and possibly hurt their overall GPA.
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
19822 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:15 am to
quote:

It’s only logical that Alabama chase Auburn to lower depths of academic excellence.


Auburn is and has been ranked higher than Alabama in academics. Nice try, though.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281899 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:18 am to
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f you don't actually want to learn, you really shouldn't be going to a 4 year university.


Most GER's could be done solo, or online. Could probably knock a quarter or more out in High School.
Posted by caro81
Member since Jul 2017
5605 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:19 am to
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All they are saying is the previous requirements weren't necessary and they've been wrong all along.


yup. that would be the correct assessment. How many of us have taken BS classes out of "necessity" that we dont actually use in our day to day jobs now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281899 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:20 am to
quote:

yup. that would be the correct assessment. How many of us have taken BS classes out of "necessity" that we dont actually use in our day to day jobs now.


Many undergrad programs should only take two - three years at most.

Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6418 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:21 am to
This is a predictable if disappointing trend.

College was meant to enrich and broaden young minds; helping teach people how to learn, how to write, how to consider ideas, and analyze issues. Universities bungled this with hyper micro-analysis and critical studies turning everything upside down. The masses of students were no longer equipped to handle modern job market requirements and/or were ill-served by their chosen studies.

It is easier to become a trade school than do the work required to rethink the modern university. We will now produced legions of students who can slot into entry-market jobs, which is actually important, but lack the life-long thinking and perspective a classic liberal arts education once endowed upon its students. When new hires send emails failing to convey a clear message or critical issue clearly, you'll know why.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
75005 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:22 am to
Good. Focus more on actual classes for your major.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
37701 posts
Posted on 11/3/22 at 10:22 am to
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I am also of the mindset of why should a history major who plans on researching/writing/teaching for a living need to take anything other than a basic level business math or stats class? There is a 99% chance they won't need any type of calculus or advanced math (linear differential equations) in their planned career, so why make them suffer through it and possibly hurt their overall GPA.



Insane. The modern world requires people who need advanced analytical skills. There are definitely areas where programming knowledge can help the historian, specifically in using algorithms to help parse data. One of the problems of modern education is that how disparate subjects can aid one another is rarely mentioned.

What is at risk is both academic freedom as well as creativity in both the sciences and the arts. Creativity is one of the key aspects of Western Civilization, and is one area where rival civilizations are not likely to catch up. Creativity isn't linear either, so you don't know before hand how one person can take an idea from one field and then apply it to another. It has to be a chaotic, personal process. There are so many examples of this from the history of science that it beggars belief people would actually want to change anything.
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