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re: Universal income discussion
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:55 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:55 am to Bjorn Cyborg
I'd go from working my arse off 60 hrs a week to a door greeter at Walmart for the same money and benefits.
I don't think that'll work it would shut down all industry type businesses.
I don't think that'll work it would shut down all industry type businesses.
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Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:57 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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Universal income discussion
Sounds good as the ultimate something for nothing but people need to work.
Some of the greatest achievements in the USA were built during the WPA. Take away the work ethic and you will be a welfare state.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:57 am to offshoretrash
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I don't think that'll work it would shut down all industry type businesses.
Oh UBI is stupid and will absolutely fail spectacularly. I kinda want to watch it all burn so we can out to bed this notion that universal suffrage and the idea that everyone should have a say in government is a good and moral idea.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:57 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Doesn't this basically make whatever the UBI is the new zero?
Possibly, which is one of the issues with it.
If everyone in the country got the same amount, regardless of geography, what affect would that have?
Would that cause prices in high-cost areas to decrease to meet the UI numbers, or would people move to lower-cost areas, causing those prices to rise?
Would this cause a leveling of cost-of-living around the country?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:57 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Universal Poverty
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:58 am to BluegrassBelle
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Or we could just move to a single-payer system.
hard pass.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:59 am to JetsetNuggs
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There are some people that, no matter how much money you give them, will spend every last cent on nothing of substance
And under my scenario, they will die.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:59 am to Tiger Ryno
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Universal Poverty
It is going to absolutely suck when UBI gets rolled out but it will happen eventually.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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None of these things would be agreeable to the people pushing for UI, so it will never happen - and if it happens, it will be a massive failure. (it would probably be a massive failure, even with these rules, but at least it would have a chance)
If you read about UI, most of the people talking about it leave out the U for Universal. It's just another entitlement.
I agree with all of this.
I think with AI about to take over many jobs, and I honestly believe it will take more than we think, its a discussion that will be had over the next decade. I actually do not see how my job is not automated within the next 10-15 years. I am beginning to think about what's next for me and what I can do with my skillset.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 9:59 am to soccerfüt
quote:this is so stupid. UI (not that i agree with it) would be a set amount stipend everyone gets regardless of employment status or any other means of generating income.
Better develop a taste for insects...
i own a business, the revenue i generate is based on our effort. the stipend i would receive is just supplementing that. you enjoy your insects though
smart and motivated people would thrive, just like they do now
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:01 am to Bjorn Cyborg
So how does that affect housing? Does everyone just stay in the house they’re in but receive the same amount of money as people living in homes twice the value of your own and less than twice the value of your own? Property taxes? How would that work? Utilities to run said houses? This notion of UI simply can’t work unless it’s started from scratch. This country and many others like it NEED classes.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:01 am to cgrand
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UI (not that i agree with it) would be a set amount stipend everyone gets regardless of employment status or any other means of generating income.
No one really believes this right?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:03 am to fallguy_1978
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But it is a Ponzi scheme
possibly so
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:05 am to TigahTeeth
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So how does that affect housing? Does everyone just stay in the house they’re in but receive the same amount of money as people living in homes twice the value of your own and less than twice the value of your own? Property taxes? How would that work? Utilities to run said houses? This notion of UI simply can’t work unless it’s started from scratch. This country and many others like it NEED classes.
You don't seem to understand the concept. If you work, this won't affect you (other than the general economic affect it will have on the country as a whole).
This would be a supplement to people that work. Others could choose to not work, or work less. This would still be a free, capitalist society.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:07 am to Bjorn Cyborg
the only reason it wouldnt work is that most people are (irretrievably) stupid
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:08 am to Bjorn Cyborg
So where does all that free money come from?
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:09 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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No one really believes this right?
Believes what?
That is what UI is. Now, what they decide to make it, if it ever happens, could be anything. But as I said in the OP, there is probably no appetite for a non-means tested UI.
I don't believe UI can work under any scenario. But if you aren't willing to give Bill Gates and Freddy down at the homeless shelter the same amount, then it has no shot at all.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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If you go to prison, your UI goes to the entity that is imprisoning you to pay for your incarceration. No one else can get your UI except you.
Lmao, because our prison systems dont make enough profit
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:10 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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2. It has to replace ALL other forms of government handouts and entitlements: No more social security, welfare, foodstamps, etc.
This is the only way to effectively implement UBI, and many conservative economists have argued that it would actually save money and government waste.
Which is why it won't happen like this.
Posted on 5/30/23 at 10:12 am to TigahTeeth
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So where does all that free money come from?
Good question. Where does all the money come from now?
If you got rid of all entitlements, that would be a huge chunk.
But yes, there would have to be a massive restructuring of society. Less (or no) foreign handouts, smaller military, etc. I could get behind that, regardless of UI.
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