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re: Universal Basic Income Test? (Shreveport)

Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:18 am to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:18 am to
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Got sources for that? Not even being a dick, I'm just dumbfounded that we can spend that much on these things and still not be up to par and want to see it for myself


I know healthcare we spend more per capita by a pretty wide margin

The results are due to an unhealthy population. Doesn't matter how good the actual healthcare is. You're never going to have great health outcomes with a population that refuses to make good health choices.

Not sure about education but if there is one positive from it, our university system is the envy of the rest of the world. Not even close really.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20787 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:18 am to
What about the per capita spending on healthcare and education? Mainly the sources I want to see. I've googled and I mainly see articles on private spending but not public spending.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20787 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:21 am to
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I know healthcare we spend more per capita by a pretty wide margin

The results are due to an unhealthy population. Doesn't matter how good the actual healthcare is. You're never going to have great health outcomes with a population that refuses to make good health choices.

Not sure about education but if there is one positive from it, our university system is the envy of the rest of the world. Not even close really.


Again though, is it public (i.e. government) spending or private spending? And as far as the Healthcare thing goes, I think Doug Stanhope said it best:

Americans don't deserve free health care
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175712 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:23 am to
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Again though, is it public (i.e. government) spending or private spending?

It's both combined

Which is really the only way to get the true cost
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:24 am to
Federal Budget Outlays

You may have to calculate per capa yourself, but the budget and outlays are pretty available.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135058 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:32 am to
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This means we either have mass inefficiency from parasitic bureaucratic entrenchment and overregulation, or we live in a nation of retards.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175712 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:36 am to
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This means we either have mass inefficiency from parasitic bureaucratic entrenchment and overregulation, or we live in a nation of retards.

If you have a family of 4 or 5 that is utilizing several different government assistance programs the dollar value that it's worth to the family might be something like 18K annually.

The actual cost to the taxpayer is more like 60K dollars
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3366 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:01 am to
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spend more per capita on healthcare, education, and general social nets than any other place in the world 


Healthcare is the real outlier we spend much more than peers.

We aren't leading in social program expenditures though. OECD data

We are near but not the top in per capita education spending. Sadly, we aren't seeing good return on investment. Need to find better ways to provide access to good public education options for the poor.
Natl Council Ed Stats
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20787 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:06 am to
I found this LINK


Sounds like something I've always said before. Our doctors are state sanctioned drug dealers and we're spending so much trying to find the next pill you can't live without.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
1st coast
Member since Jan 2008
3366 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:13 am to
This chart depicts the public private and voluntary healthcare expenditures.

OECD

US spends $10586 per capita next nearest is Switzerland at $7317 another outlier. The average is meaningless though considering India and China spend well less than $1000.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:19 am to
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We spend more per capita on healthcare, education, and general social nets than any other place in the world - yet we get substandard results.


Substandard By what measure?

I don’t buy the fact that healthcare for even the poorest is worse than in other countries.

School performance is mostly about personal motivation. That’s a cultural problem.

What else?
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
30134 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:41 am to
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Our doctors are state sanctioned drug dealers

I’m still waiting on my check
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 3:51 am to
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Need to find better ways to provide access to good public education options


100% Voucher system. The government should not own schools or set a curriculum. Similar to food stamps. government does not own grocery stores.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 4:51 am to
I am for a well though out UBI funded largely by a VAT, cuts to sime social programs and a few other things - to be effective it needs to take place along with major educational reform though. Put financial education classes, basic coding, and decent counseling in every high school - give 18 year olds some money to help them pursue school, maube start a business, etc.

Some will spend it poorly - but maybe next month theh make better choices. Dont see a good argument for holding back resources that would be huge for a strong majority of the country because we are afraid of how a minority will spend it.

And honestly if someone goes and wastes it all the the bar or buying random bullshite - who cares? That just means 100% of it got circulated back into the economy.

The only real problem is people that would go spend it on drugs and stuff that doesnt recirculate. There arent a ton of peope who get money and immediately decide to take up drugs - id wager that a notable portion of current drug users may be able to seek treatment, with UBI offering them a chance to get out of thay mess. The portugal plan seems to indicate thag integrating users back into society and the economy has a far better retention ras te of sobriety than whatever it is we do.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 4:53 am
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
30229 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 5:48 am to
My boy Yang has been on top of this.

Posted by V2_Jigsaw
Member since Apr 2017
358 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 6:52 am to
This is good news for me. I own property up in Benton which I now expect a sharp increase in value due to the taxpayers fleeing shreveport
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75980 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:00 am to
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Some will spend it poorly - but maybe next month theh make better choices. Dont see a good argument for holding back resources that would be huge for a strong majority of the country because we are afraid of how a minority will spend it.

And honestly if someone goes and wastes it all the the bar or buying random bullshite - who cares? That just means 100% of it got circulated back into the economy.





Umm, I have a problem with that.

They’ll go spend it at the bar in one night or on something they can’t afford then they’ll be first in line the next day at a food bank, free clinic, or some other program costing tax payers $$$.

Now if your solution is too completely nix other social programs and UBI being the only support the bottom feeders receive, I’d see your point.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 7:03 am
Posted by wfallstiger
Wichita Falls, Texas
Member since Jun 2006
16087 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:02 am to
That it would but will never happen as the loss of jobs for those who administer said programs would be political suicide. I would imagine, like most things, 70 to 80% of the costs are for personnel.
Posted by RTRinTampa
Central FL
Member since Jan 2013
5532 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:11 am to
frick a VAT without a commiserate cut in income tax.

Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
10229 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 7:20 am to
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School performance is mostly about personal motivation. That’s a cultural problem.


I think there is an argument that we have this issue because of the way school is set up. I don't know if that's true, or what the solution is, but I can certainly see how people have an issue with the public school system.
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