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Universal Basic Income Test? (Shreveport)

Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:41 am
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:41 am
Shreveport to become Universal income test? Anyone heard about this? Or know anything about this? Sounds a bit socialist.

Shreveport Universal Basic Income
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:45 am to
No amount of free government money would make me want to live in Shreveport.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:45 am to
It's Georgist/Distributist in origin. Ain't nobody taking over the means of production. It's still gonna result exactly how you'd think, though, without attendant reforms to other forms of redistribution. Just hope your local tax dollars aren't being used since they don't have a printing press for themselves.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:46 am to
Honestly if you just dismantle the current welfare system and just give people straight cash, I’d be interested to see the results.
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:48 am to
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Honestly if you just dismantle the current welfare system and just give people straight cash, I’d be interested to see the results.



It's the most logical way to handle transfer payments...unless you want to argue that some people are too stupid to take care of themselves.
Posted by BillyBobfan24_7
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 12:54 am to
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It's the most logical way to handle transfer payments...unless you want to argue that some people are too stupid to take care of themselves.


I could definitely see that arguement.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:00 am to
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I could definitely see that arguement.


When you look at how much we spend per family on poverty programs your jaw drops

The services programs are terribly inefficient
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:04 am to
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When you look at how much we spend per family on poverty programs your jaw drops


If you add everything possible up it comes to about 1 trillion a year. If that amount goes to a UBI program, it's 3 dollars a person per year.

edit: I effed the numerator on a trillion. It's a lot of zeros. That calc yields 3000. But, it's a little more when you take out 0-18 and 65+ yo
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:52 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:04 am to
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When you look at how much we spend per family on poverty programs your jaw drops



We spend more per capita on healthcare, education, and general social nets than any other place in the world - yet we get substandard results. This means we either have mass inefficiency from parasitic bureaucratic entrenchment and overregulation, or we live in a nation of retards.
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:08 am to
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If you add everything possible up it comes to about 1 trillion a year. If that amount goes to a UBI program, it's 3 dollars a person per year.



That's accounting for pure numbers and not taxpayers. In reality, it is probably somewhere in the realm of 6500 dollars a person.
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:14 am
Posted by Powerman
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:09 am to
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I think you're off by two zeroes.



3 zeros actually
This post was edited on 7/1/20 at 1:11 am
Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
56776 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:11 am to
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3


I'm drunk and bad at math.
Posted by Eightballjacket
Member since Jan 2016
8101 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:16 am to
Is this going to be means tested?
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:25 am to
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Universal Basic Income Test

Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:25 am to
Census Bureau

Table 1 on this link says there are about 190 million people between ages 20 and 64.

So 1,000,000,000,000 / 190,000,000 = $5,263 per year. $440 a month

So, yeah your number is damn close. But UBI is still worthless at this level. What do you think?
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:27 am to
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This means we either have mass inefficiency from parasitic bureaucratic entrenchment and overregulation, or we live in a nation of retards.
I’d say it’s a good healthy mix of both.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:28 am to
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If you add everything possible up it comes to about 1 trillion a year. If that amount goes to a UBI program, it's 3 dollars a person per year.
You didn't double check after your calculator said three?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:30 am to
Its not universal until everyone gets it. Until then, it's welfare.
Posted by WaterLink
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
20787 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 1:39 am to
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We spend more per capita on healthcare, education, and general social nets than any other place in the world - yet we get substandard results. This means we either have mass inefficiency from parasitic bureaucratic entrenchment and overregulation, or we live in a nation of retards.


Got sources for that? Not even being a dick, I'm just dumbfounded that we can spend that much on these things and still not be up to par and want to see it for myself
Posted by TigerSprings
Southeast LA
Member since Jan 2019
2416 posts
Posted on 7/1/20 at 2:08 am to
National Review
Heritage Foundation
US Gov Spending

Three links justifying $1T on welfare spending.
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