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re: United CEO doubles down, calls passenger "belligerent", claims United followed rules

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Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:46 pm to
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ok. Crew members take priority

You keep saying things with no basis whatsoever.

The idea of "just cause" isn't exactly a policy or law.

It seems likely that there actually is a distinction between a paying customer and a crew member in this instance.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:46 pm to
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According to other posters on here, aviation attorneys, having read all pertinent documents, say they had no right to have him removed.


That's fine. They're wrong.

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There is also a problem with them having the ability to up their offers for a volunteer and choosing to bully him instead.


Cool. So United are assholes here.

Next.

quote:

Food reference to a battered Asian style of cooking.




What I assumed, but I don't like to assume.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111518 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:46 pm to
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your airline seat is never your property

But he had every legal obligation to be there by said contract....
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:46 pm to
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tigerfoot looks so freaking dumb

I'm trying man...not sure why sometimes.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:47 pm to
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link? Pretty sure i ignored that one.

Meh, probably cause you realized it didn't fit your agenda, which is a very strange agenda, fwiw.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:47 pm to
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I provided a link with quotes already, you're wrong.


Where? I've seen nothing that proves me wrong.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
150384 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:48 pm to
Holy straw man! This thread here is honestly a shite show
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61448 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:48 pm to
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That's great, but if a passenger doesn't agree to that in the contract it doesn't mean anything
they do

It is clear as daylight

Right when they purchased the ticket

I posted the excerpt earlier. I am not doing it again
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:48 pm to
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That's fine. They're wrong.
I can see this argument in court.

"It doesn't matter what the contract and policies state; they are wrong."
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:48 pm to
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That is why the clipboards they carry are so heavy... I know EMTs who "accidentally" whack a problem patient in the head while doing their write up.

Oh, of course.

I don't work on the Clinical side myself. But my sister is a nurse and was fired for swinging back at a male patient who punched square in the face.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:48 pm to
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Nope. You're clueless.


Yep. I'm correct.
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27473 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:49 pm to
My thoughts, if not explicitly conveyed, were that if a person disobeys a lawful request by a police officer and ends up getting hurt or killed due to a appropriate response by the police, then that person is to blame for his situation. Your scenario is totally different. You can move along now.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111518 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:49 pm to
What is the straw man?

Asian man got the shite beat out of him for following a contract......
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104086 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:49 pm to
In other words, the Vincent Laguardia Gambini defense of "Everything that guy said is bullshite."
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
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The super duper attorneys are missing out in about 40000 cases of year. This illegal outrage will occur about 590 times tomorrow

these world class aviation attorneys should jump in that
And the airline companies can just call you, anonymous message board poster who doesn't know aviation law and likely hasn't read United's Contract of Carriage to represent them.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
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That's not how this works. They have policies, and they must abide by them. Just because some low level employee says someone must leave, if that order is counter to policy, then it doesn't automatically become OK because "the employee said so."


That is incorrect. United gives their employees authority to operate on their behalf in this matter.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
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United says they asked him to leave and he refused.

Case closed.
The experts in the field say otherwise...
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111518 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:50 pm to
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My thoughts, if not explicitly conveyed, were that if a person disobeys a lawful request by a police officer and ends up getting hurt or killed due to a appropriate response by the police, then that person is to blame for his situation. Your scenario is totally different. You can move along now.


Wohhhhhh

Nice 180. What was the "lawful" request here?
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
150384 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:51 pm to
People are in here building different cases through completely different scenarios.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:51 pm to
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No, they don't.

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