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re: United CEO doubles down, calls passenger "belligerent", claims United followed rules

Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:30 pm to
Posted by JabarkusRussell
Member since Jul 2009
15825 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:30 pm to
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you know who the hospital calls when they can't control a belligerent patient? I'll give you one guess


Yes, Milleu.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:30 pm to
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good luck with that


Should I be fearful of following the law?
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:31 pm to
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Those non rev passengers are just as much passengers as anyone.
Experts in the field seem to say otherwise...
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
46860 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:31 pm to
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the legal minds are saying he had a right to be there.


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No, they aren't.


According to other posters on here, aviation attorneys, having read all pertinent documents, say they had no right to have him removed.

There is also a problem with them having the ability to up their offers for a volunteer and choosing to bully him instead.

quote:

Tempura?


Food reference to a battered Asian style of cooking.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:31 pm to
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the basis that clearly says he can be removed from the flight for appropriate reasons

If it's "so clear" why is it that multiple aviation attorneys all have the same opinion, which is the opposite of what you're saying?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:32 pm to
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yet we expect this crankpot doctor to know his rights in this case?
That's irrelevant, but I'm sure most people would wonder what right an airline had to force someone from the seat he/she had already occupied.

Those in power don't get to abuse it because those who they abuse may not know their rights.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:34 pm to
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what is truly odd is getting killed or injured because you resisted a police order.

Ok, but that doesn't make the other side of it odd.

You've basically insinuated or flatly said you'd have no empathy for the dude killed by cops(in the hypo) overstepping their boundaries, but I guess you would have empathy for the cop if he was then sentenced to jail time? I can only assume that since you never said you'd have no empathy for them.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61448 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:34 pm to
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They were crew members en route to work, not voucher recipients.
ok. Crew members take priority

They use a non rev voucher or swipe as well. Something is exchanged for their boarding pass
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:34 pm to
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No, they aren't.

I provided a link with quotes already, you're wrong.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:35 pm to
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But whether a mistake or not they can deny your travel based on needing 1 seat for every passenger.


Experts in the field say otherwise...broken record here.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74272 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:36 pm to
what I dont get is in an overbooked flight. why would you allow people to board?
I have seen people be denied boarding for an overbooked flight, but have never heard of them going on the plane and telling people they have to get off because someone else needs their seat.


Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21764 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 pm to
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Let's go w this then


Thanks for actually responding.

Rule 25 refers to people who were denied boarding. He boarded. He handed over his boarding pass and the gate attendant accepted it. The then took his seat.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
111519 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 pm to
tigerfoot looks so freaking dumb
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 pm to
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you know who the hospital calls when they can't control a belligerent patient? I'll give you one guess

The charge nurse or Security to get the restraints.

Not a cop, fwiw, if that's what you're insinuating.

I've worked at a hospital for 15 years now, we don't call the cops for belligerent patients, we handle it ourselves.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:37 pm to
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It's true they had every right to remove anyone on the plane
They quite possibly did not have this right, legally speaking...
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
27473 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:38 pm to
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You've basically insinuated or flatly said you'd have no empathy for the dude killed by cops(in the hypo) overstepping their boundaries
link? Pretty sure i ignored that one.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:38 pm to
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So aviation lawyers may not know for sure if United had the right to pull him off the plane, yet we expect this crankpot doctor to know his rights in this case?
Irrelevant...I expected United to know, wouldn't you?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104086 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:39 pm to
That is why the clipboards they carry are so heavy... I know EMTs who "accidentally" whack a problem patient in the head while doing their write up.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112898 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:39 pm to
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Let's go w this then
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All of UA’s flights are subject to overbooking which could result in UA’s inability to provide previously confirmed reserved space for a given flight or for the class of service reserved. In that event, UA’s obligation to the Passenger is governed by Rule 25.
Experts are saying this was NOT an overbooking situation since the flight was not overbooked.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
61448 posts
Posted on 4/11/17 at 9:39 pm to
The super duper attorneys are missing out in about 40000 cases of year. This illegal outrage will occur about 590 times tomorrow

these world class aviation attorneys should jump in that

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