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re: United CEO doubles down, calls passenger "belligerent", claims United followed rules
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:05 pm to Junky
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:05 pm to Junky
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The airline can claim they didn't feel safe with him on the flight due to him not following the flight crew's instructions to get off.
Him asserting his right to a seat is not the same thing as being unruly.
That's like me telling a cop that I don't consent to a search of my car and him arresting me for obstruction of justice or resisting arrest or disorderly conduct.
ETA:seat, not ticket
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 3:07 pm
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Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:05 pm to Junky
quote:For not getting off the plane for a reason that was against their own policy?
I did, I've stated that they can claim him as unruly and deemed the flight unsafe.
Good luck with that one...
Thats absurd and you just being stubborn and going out of your way to not concede that you may be incorrect here.
This post was edited on 4/11/17 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:05 pm to Chicken
quote:
offered him $1000 and over night accommodations
Your friend is mistaken. They offered him $1000 worth of little coupons that they respect like a $10 crack whore.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:06 pm to Junky
quote:
It really depends on him being unruly. The airline can claim they didn't feel safe with him on the flight due to him not following the flight crew's instructions to get off.
Great reasoning.
Force guy to get off flight
He is unruly
Remove him from flight for being unruly
???
Profit
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:06 pm to lsupride87
quote:
Welp, that sucks for them
Sure does, now the flight attendant and pilot unions go on strike due to not enough rest and now you really can't fly to Louisville because of no flight crew.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:07 pm to Chicken
quote:Well, they likely timed out anyway. For a 4.5 hour drive, you only save about 1 hr in terms of driveway to driveway travel.....
pilots are expected to have a certain amount of rest between flights...it is likely that these pilots "timed out" and therefore could not drive to Louisville as you suggested.
I asked my friend if pilots ever have to drive to their next city:
They could have driven
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:07 pm to shel311
quote:
going out of your way to not concede that you may be incorrect here
Because I've flown a ton and seen people get kicked off for raising their voice, after they were seated.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:07 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Exactly, at some point you gotta just say, hey maybe I'm wrong here, it's possible.
Great reasoning.
Force guy to get off flight
He is unruly
Remove him from flight for being unruly
???
Profit
No reason to jump through those kinds of hoops to try to be right, that's just terrible logic.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:08 pm to Chicken
quote:
pilots are expected to have a certain amount of rest between flights...it is likely that these pilots "timed out" and therefore could not drive to Louisville as you suggested.
I asked my friend if pilots ever have to drive to their next city:
Sounds like that's United's problem and they need to do a better job of getting crew around.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:08 pm to Junky
quote:
Sure does, now the flight attendant and pilot unions go on strike due to not enough rest and now you really can't fly to Louisville because of no flight crew.
sounds like pussies to me
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:08 pm to Junky
quote:
Sure does, now the flight attendant and pilot unions go on strike due to not enough rest and now you really can't fly to Louisville because of no flight crew.
These are still personnel problems, not passenger problems.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:08 pm to Junky
quote:
It really depends on him being unruly. The airline can claim they didn't feel safe with him on the flight due to him not following the flight crew's instructions to get off.
Holy shite dude are you related to United's CEO or something? I've seen multiple AVIATION ATTORNEYS comment on it and apparently when he crossed the check in gate the rules change drastically. United's rules I might add! After that you can only kick off a passenger if he presents a threat. Telling him he's kicked off and then claiming he's a threat after that is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread.
Are you an aviation attorney or an attorney of any sort? If not, it might be best the STFU and wait for the experts to comment.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:08 pm to NYNolaguy1
quote:
Let's see how it plays out in a year.
It's been 4 hours and I'm up 2k
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Junky
quote:You've gone out of your way to say United did nothing wrong.
Because I've flown a ton and seen people get kicked off for raising their voice, after they were seated.
You have aviation attorneys who read the entire policy that I'm sure you haven't read saying United did something wrong.
Yea, I think it's entirely fair to say you're going out of your way to not admit that you MIGHT be wrong.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Nado Jenkins83
You do realize a smaller regional jet crashed due to not enough crew rest, right?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Junky
quote:
seen people get kicked off for raising their voice, after they were seated.
Were they raising their voice because they were already being forced of the plane for no other reason, randomly?
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:09 pm to Fun Bunch
A flipping seat belt actually
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:10 pm to TitleistProV1X
quote:This guy, he gets it.
Holy shite dude are you related to United's CEO or something? I've seen multiple AVIATION ATTORNEYS comment on it and apparently when he crossed the check in gate the rules change drastically. United's rules I might add! After that you can only kick off a passenger if he presents a threat. Telling him he's kicked off and then claiming he's a threat after that is probably the dumbest thing I've read in this entire thread.
Are you an aviation attorney or an attorney of any sort? If not, it might be best the STFU and wait for the experts to comment.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:11 pm to Junky
Can you possibly see the difference? Maybe?
Guess what? Your way wouldn't hold up much at all. He wasn't being removed "because he was unruly" and there would be no way to argue that.
The decision to remove him was already made based on other criteria. It would never hold up. Ever.
Guess what? Your way wouldn't hold up much at all. He wasn't being removed "because he was unruly" and there would be no way to argue that.
The decision to remove him was already made based on other criteria. It would never hold up. Ever.
Posted on 4/11/17 at 3:11 pm to yellowfin
quote:
It's been 4 hours and I'm up 2k
Still have a long way to go...
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