re: Ukraine say U.S. tanks are ineffective and armor is useless

That’s a bunch of shite

The Ukraines aren’t just maintaining the equipment well just like Russians do

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From this assessment it sounds like Ukraine is fricked at this point in the war. With man power issues, a Frankenstein of equipment, and lack of strategy there’s no wonder weapon that can achieve this.

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We need to give them moar!!!

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You’re right they’re even more complicated and require even more logistics while also being much heavier which is what Ukraine is complaining about. You think making the tanks more complicated fixes the issue of it being overly engineered?

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And what was the result of the last US made and manned tanks vs Russian made tank battles in less than ideal conditions? More specifically the Battle of 73 Easting and Medina Ridge?

Show that to the feckless Ukrainians and report back.

Officially, basic training has been cut from 60 days to 45 days, but if you read the obituaries, they've been sending a substantial number of men to the front within a week of being conscripted. And that's been true for at least a year and half.

The following is from a Russian Telegram account.

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Called up on 05/07/2024, liquidated on 05/26/2024...Count the days.

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Ruslan Korobytsyn, drafted into the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in April 2024...Killed on May 18, 2024.

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Called up 05/01/2024, killed 05/14/2024. Buried 05/18/2024. The entire army biography was completed in 14 days.

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they havent even figured out theyve been duped. US government sends them billions...but most of the money just goes back to US political player's private accounts...then the crooked Ukrainian officials get their cut. All they actually get is our junk with a few trinkets that the remaining scraps of money will buy.

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And Ukraine is on the hook for repaying all that money thus turning them into a US serf state for the next 200 years, if they even win.

The Russians learned that lesson hard in Chechnya. The lost a lot of tanks in that war..

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I’ve said it over and over again.

The U.S. military are making the same mistakes the Nazi made in WW2. Focusing more on creating the new most advance that cost way more to produce, harder to maintain, more complicated to use, and not as durable.


While the Soviet and U.S. at the time cracked out euipment like no tomorrow by being simple but effective.

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Whatever equipment Russia has, they sure are having a tough time taking Ukraine. I thought they would invade and it would be over in short order.

This commie cock sucking OP started a thread earlier this week stating China is much better than the US because they built some shitty rail lines that are barely used and not sustainable.
Just so yall know who you are dealing with.

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Officially, training has been cut from 60 days to 45 days, but if you read the obituaries, they've been sending a substantial number of men to the front within a week of being conscripted. And that's been true for at least a year and half.

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You can’t even properly train an entry level tanker in that amount of time, much less an entire tank crew. Here’s how training a tanker works:

Basic Training (OSUT) 15 weeks - this gives you a buck private trained and ready to serve at either the loader or driver’s position. They’re proficient (at entry level) in performing the duties of these two positions, which means. They have skills such as
1. Ammo ID
2. Operation and maintenance of the M240 & M2 machine guns.
3. Operation and maintenance of the 120mm breach.
4. Operation and maintenance of radio communications.
5. Operating the tank per tank commander orders in formation with other tanks while also taking best advantage of the terrain.
6. Simple maintenance of the tank’s mechanical systems, including the tracks and undercarriage.

Most guys start at the loader’s position and then after a year or so moves to the driver’s position. After two, maybe three years they’re ready to move the gunner’s position. There they will:

1. Be proficient in operation of the main and auxiliary sighting system for target identification and engagement using both daylight and thermal settings.
2. Be proficient in operating and maintaining the ballistic computer.
4. Be proficient in bore sighting the main gun.

You can expect a guy to be a gunner for another year, two, or even longer. Then there is the tank commander. He’s already progressed through the loader, driver, and gunner’s positions. He’s been on tanks for usually 4+ years by the time he gets command of his own tank, plus going though NCO schools as well. He will:

1. Be proficient in all tank crewman positions.
2. Be proficient in issuing fire commands in an effective manner.
3. Be proficient in coordinating with the other 3 tanks in the platoon, particularly his wingman tank.
4. Be proficient in armor vehicle ID and what ammunition to use against each.
5. Be proficient in operation of M2 machine gun.

And that’s just one crew. These Ukrainians have only had the Abrams a matter of months where they went through a crash course. It takes a good 4 years before a guy is really ready to command a single Abrams. And then they have to train with the other tank crews in their platoon, company, battalion, and finally brigade and division. All this takes time, years really.