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re: UK decides "herd immunity" the way to go...
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:02 am to MightyYat
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:02 am to MightyYat
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While they will probably be just fine they really can’t be allowed to just walk around and infect everyone they come in to contact with.
um, i was responding to a post about using outlier deaths
yeah, everyone should be self-isolating as much as possible and anyone with symptoms should be quarantining
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A lot of us likely already are. It’s who you may pass it on to.
to bring this back to the thread, the UK is basically telling those at risk people to stay out of the general population
that way, instead of shutting down 100% of their country for 15% of the population, they are removing 15% and resuming normalcy
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Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:04 am to MaxDraft
If the virus mutates and starts killing 10-30% of its hosts the Brits will look like idiots.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:07 am to MightyYat
quote:12,100. No one cared.
4,000 people died during that outbreak
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:22 am to WaydownSouth
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Ok. People die in car accidents every day yet people still drive like idiots. People die of diabetes, yet half this board is obese.
Yes all of those things happen but it doesn’t mean people don’t precautions to avoid those things happening. I could die in car crash but I do my best to avoid it. Most people take actions daily to avoid those things you listed happening.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:31 am to MightyYat
quote:And we can do the same with this without grinding out commerce and way of life to a halt
We treat, fight and research RSV. Have been for years.
There are people that still want to fight this bitch like hell, while also continuing the America way. Arguing again those people with “think of the children” strawmen is petulant
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:35 am to ElJefe686
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The Brits can opt this way because their health care system isn't a shite show and can deal with the numbers. Ours can't.
They're currently training nurses to perform surgeries to alleviate long waiting times. They're not exactly the gold standard.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:37 am to SaintsandTigers
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And we can do the same with this without grinding out commerce and way of life to a halt
How, exactly? The cases are advancing at a much more rapid rate than anything we’ve seen.
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There are people that still want to fight this bitch like hell, while also continuing the America way. Arguing again those people with “think of the children” strawmen is petulant
It was just an example to someone diminishing people dying. Are you just purposely ignoring what’s going on in other countries? We have plenty of examples to see how to handle it and what’s worked best so far is isolation.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:42 am to MightyYat
Isolation works best against every single virus...That has not and should not be how we handle it
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:49 am to SaintsandTigers
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Isolation works best against every single virus...That has not and should not be how we handle it
How should we handle it? I’d love to hear a real plan from you since some of the smartest people on the globe are working on this thing.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 10:54 am to StTiger
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several cases of reinfection already
Really? Amongst what health demograph?
90 year olds with asthma?
Pneumonia victims?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:03 am to MaxDraft
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UK decides "herd immunity" the way to go...
Umm maybe I’m missing something, but one person has called for this and it’s an idea, with many disagreeing
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:05 am to lsunurse
Tell that to Karen my neighbor with 2 snotty kids
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:12 am to MaxDraft
The whole problem with this thing is that it overwhelms the medical system so that more people need respirators than there are respirators. The British approach seems to exacerbate that.
A slower trickle is much more manageable. Unless the old people are a drain on their state healthcare system and they are happy to unload that burden.
A slower trickle is much more manageable. Unless the old people are a drain on their state healthcare system and they are happy to unload that burden.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:17 am to MaxDraft
Politicians won't allow it a lot more democrats will die but if you social distance a lot more democrats in 18 years 9 months
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:53 am to StTiger
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How can you do herd immunity when you aren't immune after infection? There have been several cases of reinfection already
Exactly- and has been stated earlier, how the hell would our health system handle thousands & thousands of cases? Not to mention, old folks would suffer heavy losses. For a virus that may have been concocted in some Chinese Army lab, we still don't know enough of about it to simply think in terms of letting everyone be exposed, that is idiotic thinking! This is not the chickenpox!
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:54 am to nola000
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Which is why the Brits either have a really awesome healthcare system that can support the entire country getting sick at once or they are banking on killing off their elderly and sick so that they can keep their socialized healthcare solvent.
Probably the latter. Was it UK that had talk of possibly allowing the refusal of treatment based on "hate" shown by patient? Nothing official & probably British tabloid stuff, but they can easily ration through national policy and vilify or marginalize those they impose it on.
Have they been able to find specific anti-bodies in recovered patients yet? Most are in China and not sure free flow of info is coming from them. If so I have wondered if like one of the Dallas nurses in the Ebola cases 2014 that had blood transfusion from doctor who had earlier survived infection in a form of passive immunotherapy could be used initially for newly infected patients with preexisting conditions.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 11:58 am to Tiger in Texas
If it spread as easily as everyone getting sick at once, everyone on the Jazz and Pistons would be sick.
Incubation period of two weeks, how many people did Gobert touch while he was carrying the virus or Christian Wood
There wouldn’t be thousands of cases at once
Incubation period of two weeks, how many people did Gobert touch while he was carrying the virus or Christian Wood
There wouldn’t be thousands of cases at once
Posted on 3/15/20 at 12:08 pm to WaydownSouth
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If it spread as easily as everyone getting sick at once, everyone on the Jazz and Pistons would be sick.
Incubation period of two weeks, how many people did Gobert touch while he was carrying the virus or Christian Wood
There wouldn’t be thousands of cases at once
You can have the virus, pass the virus AND STILL NOT BE SICK. That’s the problem.
Posted on 3/15/20 at 12:44 pm to LSU1018
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With the lack of tests
Exactly how many tests would change it from "lack of" to enough"?
The 20k already administered?
The 500k available tomorrow?
The 5 million scheduled to be available in 30 days?
A test kit for every man, woman, and, child?
Posted on 3/15/20 at 1:11 pm to MaxDraft
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The UK has opted to tackle the virus with a "herd immunity" approach rather than social distancing. They practically want the virus to spread and are banking on it being so rampant that the population as a whole eventually becomes immune. Interesting approach...almost seems like something USA would have done 10-15 yrs ago before we started our shift to socialism...
That is because they dont have the facilities to deal with it otherwise. State run healthcare...
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