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Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:14 am to Korkstand
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We obviously just need to lower taxes so the job-creators will hire more people
Or, let the market do its thing and expect humans to evolve with it..
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:14 am to stout
I've suggested avoiding this for a different reason. We are onshoring H1B resources who will take less money than Americans to do many of these tech jobs. And they don't really demand raises over time either. And on top of that - we are offshoring a lot more unless it's the latest coding language.
That's the trend that's happening now. Companies would rather abuse the H1B visa program rather than working with flyover universities to develop local talent.
Make sure the STEM field is one that our leaders aren't giving away before you put suggest it to your kids. If they want to do coding or work in tech, make sure it's at a top tier school where they can learn the latest and stay ahead of the curve.
Our country is giving too much away right now.
That's the trend that's happening now. Companies would rather abuse the H1B visa program rather than working with flyover universities to develop local talent.
Make sure the STEM field is one that our leaders aren't giving away before you put suggest it to your kids. If they want to do coding or work in tech, make sure it's at a top tier school where they can learn the latest and stay ahead of the curve.
Our country is giving too much away right now.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 11:20 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:19 am to Corner Pocket
quote:Maybe, but there's a lot more to plumbing than fixing shitters.
They're making AI that can walk and think and speak. I'm pretty sure someone can make one to fix your shitter
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:31 am to Corner Pocket
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They're making AI that can walk and think and speak. I'm pretty sure someone can make one to fix your shitter
except it’s all these dumbass college boys and dei hires programming the robots Sorry but if you got tricked into going to college your too dumb to learn a trade
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:31 am to stout
I don't see it.
Anyone who's ever coded knows that it's exacting. If AI screws up and draws a hand with 6 fingers, you might never notice unless you happen to know that AI sucks at drawing hands. You'll still receive and enjoy your picture of "Latoya Cantrell as a Disney supervillain" even if the hands are fricked up.
That's completely different from how computer code works. Forget a semicolon and it won't compile. In some languages (Python and COBOL?) the number of spaces at the start of a line of code matters.
I was a coder for almost 20 years, and was a computer science student for 5 years before that. At every turn, there has been some emerging thing that was supposed to replace people like me. Early on, more user friendly tools like Access and Visual Basic were going to turn programming into something anyone could do. Then, programming was going to turn into a $4-per-hour thing done in India (and later Eastern Europe).
You just learn to ignore it all after a while, but one has to wonder WTF the motivation for this stuff is. Why are we all so hot to get rid of programmers. It's one of the few ways to earn a middle-class income without a shitload of luck and training nowadays.
Maybe that's the issue people have with it. All that programming money sure does emit a lot of CO2...
(And I will add, for the audience here: coding is a trade. It is a lot more similar to plumbing than it is to practicing law or being an HR manager or whatever. You have defined problems you either solve or fail to solve. There's little to resent about that, IMO.)
Anyone who's ever coded knows that it's exacting. If AI screws up and draws a hand with 6 fingers, you might never notice unless you happen to know that AI sucks at drawing hands. You'll still receive and enjoy your picture of "Latoya Cantrell as a Disney supervillain" even if the hands are fricked up.
That's completely different from how computer code works. Forget a semicolon and it won't compile. In some languages (Python and COBOL?) the number of spaces at the start of a line of code matters.
I was a coder for almost 20 years, and was a computer science student for 5 years before that. At every turn, there has been some emerging thing that was supposed to replace people like me. Early on, more user friendly tools like Access and Visual Basic were going to turn programming into something anyone could do. Then, programming was going to turn into a $4-per-hour thing done in India (and later Eastern Europe).
You just learn to ignore it all after a while, but one has to wonder WTF the motivation for this stuff is. Why are we all so hot to get rid of programmers. It's one of the few ways to earn a middle-class income without a shitload of luck and training nowadays.
Maybe that's the issue people have with it. All that programming money sure does emit a lot of CO2...
(And I will add, for the audience here: coding is a trade. It is a lot more similar to plumbing than it is to practicing law or being an HR manager or whatever. You have defined problems you either solve or fail to solve. There's little to resent about that, IMO.)
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 11:33 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:38 am to kingbob
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Rather than have an elite, a middle class, and a large poor population, there will only be elites and their servants.
They only need servants until robotics catches up.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:42 am to Porpus
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If AI screws up and draws a hand with 6 fingers, you might never notice unless you happen to know that AI sucks at drawing hands.
Ever think it’s intentional that AI sucks at Hands? Do that for a while it becomes how people think they can ID AI, then fix it and people will believe things that aren’t real are.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:50 am to BoogaBear
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I work with a shite ton of offshore developers, they require you to tell them exactly what to do all day. It's actually more efficient for me to just ignore them and do it myself.
This is true. Start on the functional side and learn a specific coding language during debugging. Eventually you'll be dual threat and can do both.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:02 pm to Porpus
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but one has to wonder WTF the motivation for this stuff is. Why are we all so hot to get rid of programmers. It's one of the few ways to earn a middle-class income without a shitload of luck and training nowadays.
Because people are lazy. Btw you are spot on
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:29 pm to dbeck
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They only need servants until robotics catches up.
There will always be at least some need for engineers and mechanics to service the robots, but that’s about it. Robots will gradually take over everything else until they deem the humans no longer necessary themselves.
Such a shame, as that giant population could be put to work colonizing deep space instead of being killed off for vanity.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:46 pm to Aubie Spr96
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AI will replace a lot of coding. We have already incorporated an AI bot into some of what we are doing. It will dramatically increase.
you're clearly just spouting shite you heard around the office..
The machines coding themselves and the machines answering coding questions, are two different generations
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:56 pm to stout
shite, they also include STEM, too.
This board is about to commit collective suicide
This board is about to commit collective suicide
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:27 pm to fallguy_1978
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It's a catch 22. If AI replaces tons of jobs these companies will experience big demand drop off for their products. Consumer spending is 70% of GDP.
The premise behind the wealth generated by AI is that it will lead to such an abundance of resources and goods that shortages will cease to exist and everyone will have literally anything they could ever want at any time.
You know, utopia!
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:32 pm to Korkstand
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Maybe, but there's a lot more to plumbing than fixing shitters
I agree, but what exactly can a plumber do that a robot couldn't be built/taught to do?
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:34 pm to Porpus
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And I will add, for the audience here: coding is a trade. It is a lot more similar to plumbing than it is to practicing law or being an HR manager or whatever. You have defined problems you either solve or fail to solve. There's little to resent about that, IMO
I’m a network engineer and explain my job to people who don’t understand as an internet plumber, lol.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:40 pm to fallguy_1978
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If AI replaces tons of jobs these companies will experience big demand drop off for their products. Consumer spending is 70% of GDP.
Nope. That’s not the way it works. When tractors reduced the number of farmers demand for farm products did not drop due to a lack of solvent customers. Nor will it happen if AI takes the place of workers.
What will happen is that more of these displaced workers will turn to careers in hospitality and such. They will invent services and products that today we would consider frivolous, just as those displaced farmers would consider massages and store-bought birthday cakes frivolous.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:46 pm to Corner Pocket
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I agree, but what exactly can a plumber do that a robot couldn't be built/taught to do?
Computers, code, machine learning, and by extension AI and robotics needs standardization. What's not standardized is a toilets location, parts, etc.
We are so far away from a robot going into an unmapped house, going upstairs to the third door on the right while avoiding tripping over the barking dog, much less fixing the toilet when it actually gets there.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:47 pm to kingbob
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They’re trying to kill off all of the people they no longer need.
It’s hard to believe you actually think this.
First, as I explained above, the quote to which you responded evinces a complete misunderstanding of economics. You used that flawed quote to justify your crazy conclusion that “they” are trying to kill us. You are as befuddled as a suicide bomber.
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