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re: Uber Halts Autonomous-Car Testing After Fatal Arizona Crash
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:09 pm to MardiGrasCajun
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:09 pm to MardiGrasCajun
Technology along with policy changes; increasing driving age, provide transportation for elderly,etc. will drastically reduce the number of auto deaths in the US. I think they are too many variables for software to fully account for on the roads/air/rail.
I think the future will still have a human in the decision making process.
I think the future will still have a human in the decision making process.
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:10 pm to CAD703X
quote:You could at least get my name correct.
she311, feel honored. you're my new sig quote
ugly bags of mostly water!
It's also a correct statement. The self driving cars are quite literally, as Slackster said in the post you agreed with, rarely at fault. So thanks for making a sig quote for something I said that was factually correct.
In fact, Slackster who you hailed as being on the same side as you even agreed with me on the basis of that sig quote, so...you failed again.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:11 pm to slackster
quote:
Waymo was involved in more total accidents than any group of drivers between 25 and 85.
Waymo not at fault though...
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:11 pm to TH03
quote:Sig quote!!!!
Waymo not at fault though...
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:13 pm to TH03
Kind of misleading because it doesn’t break down the at fault rates of the 25-85 group
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:14 pm to shel311
I wonder if the person behind the wheel will be liable, either criminally or civilly.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:17 pm to CAD703X
quote:
actual humans in charge.
Except for modern planes.
Specifically commercial airliners.
“Buh buh buh THEIRS A PILOT!”
You’d be surprised how often they are on autopilot.
And how much their manual input is “interpreted” by flight avionics.
How’d you feel about a car that was manually driven but would disregard or modify the human input depending on what the computer thought was logical in that situation?
Because we’ve been flying that way for decades.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:19 pm to TH03
quote:
Waymo not at fault though...
Sure, but it's a valid criticism/hurdle for the industry right now. You're less likely to be involved in an accident riding with a random 50 year old than you are in a Google Waymo vehicle. That's a costly proposition at the moment.
That being said, the incidents with self-driving vehicles tend to be minor, so while the last study on injuries in 2015 noted higher rates among self-driving passengers, their fatality rates were much lower (0 deaths).
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:22 pm to slackster
quote:I think we all agree on that, well all but 1 of us. We also all recognize, as you said, the self driving cars are rarely at fault as it's human driver error, and yes again, by "all" I mean all but 1 of us.
Sure, but it's a valid criticism/hurdle for the industry right now.
quote:CAD isn't having that!!!
That being said, the incidents with self-driving vehicles tend to be minor, so while the last study on injuries in 2015 noted higher rates among self-driving passengers, their fatality rates were much lower (0 deaths).
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:22 pm to Volvagia
quote:
“Buh buh buh THEIRS A PILOT!”
You’d be surprised how often they are on autopilot.
And how much their manual input is “interpreted” by flight avionics.
and how many times are cyclists and pedestrians crossing in front of 747s in the dark?
pretty sure 747s just suck birds that try this into the engines and stir fry them.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:25 pm to slackster
quote:
Sure, but it's a valid criticism/hurdle for the industry right now. You're less likely to be involved in an accident riding with a random 50 year old than you are in a Google Waymo vehicle. That's a costly proposition at the moment.
That chart is horribly misleading, though. The human drivers get the benefit of being broken out by age range, but all of Waymo's wrecks are shown against each age range. The effect is that it looks like Waymo gets in way more wrecks than humans of all but the most extremes of the age ranges. In actuality, Waymo won't displace only drivers of certain ages, but all drivers and you have to compare its record to humans as an aggregate to get the true story.
Lump all humans together and compare to Waymo or break Waymo's wrecks out into how old the person in the other car was to match the age ranges that the humans are broken into and that chart might be useful.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:27 pm to CAD703X
quote:And could potentially crash as a result, but no biggie.
pretty sure 747s just suck birds that try this into the engines and stir fry them.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:27 pm to TigerstuckinMS
CAD still standing up for imperfect humans
and to grandpa's credit, he nailed the parking spot.
and to grandpa's credit, he nailed the parking spot.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:32 pm to Volvagia
*THERE’S
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:32 pm to slackster
quote:
You're less likely to be involved in an accident riding with a random 50 year old than you are in a Google Waymo vehicle. That's a costly proposition at the moment.
It's a very weird chart though. And if the waymo car isn't at fault, the data is meaningless. If someone rear ends a driverless cars, the fact that it is driverless has nothing to do with it.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:33 pm to hottub
Psssst
In this case it was deliberate.
In this case it was deliberate.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:35 pm to Lou Pai
They just got sued for enough that they may not have to worry about automated cars anymore....or their business in general.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:36 pm to TH03
I'm just realizing, there was an actual person behind the wheel here. So it sounds like we still need more details on how it occurred but it is obvious now that both the self driving car AND the human were not able to stop in time here.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:37 pm to notsince98
quote:Who did?
They just got sued for enough that they may not have to worry about automated cars anymore....or their business in general.
We're going to need a lot more details before we can determine this.
Posted on 3/19/18 at 1:38 pm to CAD703X
quote:
and how many times are cyclists and pedestrians crossing in front of 747s in the dark?
pretty sure 747s just suck birds that try this into the engines and stir fry them.
And this has what to do with the fact that ultimately, planes are flying around at a third the speed of sound driven by computer code.
That’s been your expressed issue, right? Prospect of buggy code making it actually more dangerous than human driving it?
And no, they aren’t dodging birds you fool.
But imagine for a tricky landing with lots of variable crosswinds the computer stuttered on its delivery.
Then there is a big thing you could hit: the ground.
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