re: UAB Hospital ER night-shift nurses refusing to work tonight as a protest.

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That’s why I started my fricking post with them needing to negotiate on an individual basis, you dolt. Companies always try to get the cheapest labor possible for their desired outcome no? Some value higher paid employees because they value what those individuals bring to the table and even then they try to pay less than market whenever possible. Some value bottom line over everything.

Ask for a raise, but be prepared to leave to get it. Simple. If you’re a nurse/murse then go where the demand is. Sure that’s not easy but people in all industries who don’t have a prospective employer in damn near every town like nurses do make it happen every fricking day.

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How do you know here is no or minimal demand for nurses in that market? Why have you used words like dolt and idiot in your last two posts? Arguing by insult isn’t usually very persuasive.

Why shouldn’t they negotiate as a group? Workers always try to get good wages.

What do you think the minimum or maximum wage for college graduates should be, or have you moved on from that weak point after I dunked on your bad history degree comparison. I can keep dunking on you all day.

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Are we really comparing nurses and teachers to law enforcement and military?

I've seen it all.

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I'm comparing anyone complaining about doing their job when they signed up for it and knew the bullshite/hazards involved in said job beforehand.

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How do you know here is no or minimal demand for nurses in that market?

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If there was high demand, the hospital would not be able to compete due to people leaving for higher paying jobs, as they should if they see that they want more. After asking on an individual basis of course.

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Why have you used words like dolt and idiot in your last two posts

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Because the first part of my post was conveniently ignored. Take what I post out of context all you’d like but I’ll point it out every time I see it. The part where I said salary negotiations are based on an individual’s qualifications, desired pay and what the business is willing to pay. The nurse with 5 years in should be paid more than the one with 2, but only if they don’t suck arse at their job. Experience doesn’t translate to higher pay if you suck. Can’t lump them into the same category, as every individual is different even if they have the same degree. If the nurse doesn’t like their pay, then quit. Simple. Easy for everyone to understand. If the hospital only hires shitty nurses who will accept bottom market pay, that’s to their detriment. They deserve shitty employees if they aren’t willing to pay better to more qualified people.

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Why shouldn’t they negotiate as a group? Workers always try to get good wages.

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Not saying they shouldn’t but they should all be prepared to be fired as a group as well. Many companies fire you on the spot for talking about stuff that can be seen an unionization. I wouldn’t like to be lumped in with a group as I would be worried about making my own deal. If I get told no, then prep for leaving begins. Again, simple.

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What do you think the minimum or maximum wage for college graduates should be, or have you moved on from that weak point after I dunked on your bad history degree comparison. I can keep dunking on you all day.

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Pay should be whatever the market bears for an individual’s education, experience, and individual reputation among colleagues.

How’s that dunking on me? A nursing degree is no more impressive than a business management degree. Or an education degree. I’d concede that it’s somewhere between an undergrad and a masters for the sake of argument as I do acknowledge it takes a small bit of extra effort, but not smarts.

If you don’t like your pay, negotiate. Doing it as a group just lumps a whole group together and doesn’t allow the individual to stand out or flame out as they should.

If you still don’t like your pay, quit and go to another hospital. You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting a hospital. The opportunities to find better pay are limitless essentially. Let the idiots at UAB flounder if they don’t act right while you move on to better things.

That’s what the market does.

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I want to be clear. I am not complaining about my job. I love being a nurse.

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My ex is a pediatric nurse and never complains.

Teaching and Nursing both suffer from having unions that don't understand economics and rely on victimhood.

When I went through formal education to be a teacher, the pedagogy, the first lesson in the first class was about the two unions. Its a cultural crisis.

I appreciate yours view point but are you aware that hospital associations, specifically in Bham discuss area wages and purposefully depress said wages? If every hospital in the area agrees to not pay greater than say 24.00 the downward pressure on those wages persist. That is essentially unionization of hospital administrators. Unions are not perfect. Far from it actually. They protect the lower performers. However, it’s the only solution we have seen to increase wages.

Healthcare is the dirtiest field I have ever worked in. It is filled with corrupt, immoral unethical people. Without exaggeration, Bartending in a strip club in the quarter was more honest money. I am just giving you the perspective of someone who has worked in it for longer than I care to admit.

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in Bham discuss area wages and purposefully depress said wages? If every hospital in the area agrees to not pay greater than say 24.00 the downward pressure on those wages persist. That is essentially unionization of hospital administrators.

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Well then that’s just as shitty and should be handled. Maybe group action is warranted when situations such as this arise and persist.

Learning new things changes opinions. I’m coming at this as a businessperson who has scruples. I guess I shouldn’t be.

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I appreciate yours view point but are you aware that hospital associations, specifically in Bham discuss area wages and purposefully depress said wages? If every hospital in the area agrees to not pay greater than say 24.00 the downward pressure on those wages persist. That is essentially unionization of hospital administrators. Unions are not perfect. Far from it actually. They protect the lower performers. However, it’s the only solution we have seen to increase wages.

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A way to get around that is the Huntsville Hospital approach. Just buy every hospital within 100 miles and you have control of the competition in the area.

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If you don’t want to clean up dog shite, don’t be a vet tech. If you don’t want to clean up shite and vomit, don’t work at a day care. If you don’t want to use a shovel, don’t work construction. If you don’t want to work the hours for a pandemic, then don’t be a fricking nurse. You did it to yourself. Quit, if you don’t like it. I hear McDonald’s and grub hub is hiring

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Yall have lost your minds. They want more money. The hospital can fire them and move on if they want. People are saying they should be arrested for not going to work

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“We don’t feel appreciated.

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nobody appreciates me!

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Yea. I posted this in another thread. My friend works in the icu. Currently Uab nurses get 20 an hour in covid pay. So right now she’s making 45 an hour. Travelers are making 105 per hour. With covid pay set to go away, my friends rate will drop to 25 per hour. Travelers who work under contract will still remain at the 105 hour pay rate.

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We have lost 50-60 percent of our full time nurses at our hospital in Jupiter Florida. They didn’t want to give a significant pay bump and are now paying out of the arse for travelers. Many of the ones who left would’ve stayed to receive some kind of covid pay between the rate they were receiving and the travelers but the hospital balked so they simply went to hospitals that would pay better. The care has gone to complete shot over the last month or so and the travelers will bail at the drop of a hat.