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re: TVA is asking people to conserve power in this time of high usage
Posted on 1/16/24 at 7:17 pm to Darth Vol
Posted on 1/16/24 at 7:17 pm to Darth Vol
Yeah, but driving an EV makes people “feel good” about themselves, and virtue signal to others that “they care”.
It’s hard to put a price on grandiosity.
It’s hard to put a price on grandiosity.
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Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:08 pm to homesicktiger
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They're hanging on to that trash burner
That is the perfect balance of economics. You have garbage. You can either put it in a landfill where you could eventually pile up enough garbage to rival a volcano taking up a large swath of land or you just incinerate it into ash and create electricity in the process. It may not be that efficient in power generation and will pollute just as much as fossil fuel plant, but you don’t have a huge pile of garbage stinking up the islands.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:13 pm to Darth Vol
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This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:15 pm to East Coast Band
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Thanks, Three Mile Island (conspiracy theory, anyone?),
They also overestimated capacity requirements going forward. Energy saving technology improvements have made a gigantic impact. LED lights alone made things crazy. Capacity growth is much more conservative now.
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:26 pm to East Coast Band
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Only 7 were built and operational today.
Got one multi-billion dollar waste sitting right off of 72E past Scottsboro. Bellefonte Nuclear Plant. Never produced anything but a bunch of grift for politicians and contractors. Pisses me off every time I drive by those two big arse cooling towers.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 6:41 am to SloaneRanger
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Remember that more people died at Chappaquiddick than at Three Mile Island.
Radiation exposure takes longer than a day to kill you.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 7:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Natural gas furnace in my house. My whole house is pulling like 18 amps right now.
The push to eliminate gas appliances in the home pisses me off as much as the government EV push.
Another thread has a poster with a heat pump complaining that it almost does nothing for his home in weather like this.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 8:57 am to NYNolaguy1
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Radiation exposure takes longer than a day to kill you.
Do you have a link to the number of people whop died from Three Mile Island radiation exposure?
We'll wait.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:09 am to Darth Vol
Did a lot of Californians move to Tennessee?
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:25 am to Darth Vol
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We'll wait.
Not for long.
Note the above average rate of mortality and increased incidence of breast cancer for the surrounding vicinity.
Eta: Netflix had a good documentary on three mile island as well that showed the effects on the surrounding neighborhoods. Hint- there's a lot of under reported health issues going on.
National Institute of Health
Increased thyroid cancer rates
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 9:30 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:27 am to Darth Vol
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TVA is asking people to conserve power in this time of high usage
Doesn't compute, they're the only reason I have a washing machine and a Chevrolet
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:36 am to NYNolaguy1
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Not for long.
Note the above average rate of mortality and increased incidence of breast cancer for the surrounding vicinity.
Eta: Netflix had a good documentary on three mile island as well that showed the effects on the surrounding neighborhoods. Hint- there's a lot of under reported health issues going on.
You have evidence of these deaths being directly related to Three Mile Island?
Your articla "SUGGESTS" there "MIGHT" be a connection.
Chernobyl released a huge radition cloud. It passed over the northwest United States. I was in Yakima, Washington when it passed over. It was raining very hard. Everyone was joking about "radiated rain".
There have been no mass die-offs in the Pacific Northwest that I know of. The Chernobyl radiation cloud was much worse than anything released at Three Mile Island.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:39 am to East Coast Band
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At one time, TVA had plans for 17 nuclear reactors along the Tennessee River from Tennessee to Alabama to Mississippi.
Only 7 were built and operational today.
Thanks, Three Mile Island (conspiracy theory, anyone?),
TVA is in the process of planning 4 reactors on the Clinch River as we speak. Bonneville planned 5, started building 3 and finished 1. TVA and Bonneville both had the right idea, public opinion and fear mongering put a halt to it.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:44 am to Darth Vol
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You have evidence of these deaths being directly related to Three Mile Island?
I have shown there's above average incidence of thyroid and breast cancer among the inhabitants of Harrisburg, PA, with higher mortality as well. Given that cancer (especially thyroid cancer) is indicative of radiation exposure, it is not a leap of logic to see that they were probably exposed, and some died. Not sure what you're failing to see here.
If you knew anything about three mile island you'd know the govt fumbled this from the start and have been covering their tracks ever since.
Cool story about "radiation clouds".
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:45 am to Darth Vol
When my papa got a job with the TVA he bought a washing machine then a Chevrolet.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:51 am to Slippy
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I worked for that communist organization back in the 90's.
Can't believe Congress hasn't broken it up yet.
TVA almost solely responsible for bringing the SE Appalachian Region kicking and screaming into the 20th century. I have known thousands of TVA employees and TVA contractor employees...myself included at times. Alabama said it best:
"Well, Mama got sick and Daddy got down
The county got the farm and we moved to town
Papa got a job with the TVA
He bought a washin' machine and then a Chevrolet"
The first couple of generations of the south who benefitted from communism had stared into the abyss and what they saw was not pretty. Their progent are now convinced that they hit a homerun when the fact is they were born on first base. That is the success of TVAs communism...and entire region brought out of the worst poverty known in the US at the time to the point where they all hate public spending today...thats success no matter how you slice it.
I will leave with this, once posted in the Business Manager's office of IBEW Local 558, Sheffield Alabama:
"In the mid 15th century BC Moses told the Israelites to load their asses and their camels and he would lead them to the promised land. In 1933 Franklin Roosevelt gathered up people in North Alabama and told them to "light a camel and sit on your asses, I have brought the promised land to you". And proceeded to create a workers paradise and one that is still thriving today....communism works when applied in the right dose.
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:52 am to Slippy
I worked for them 77-88. Nuclear power plant construction. Jimmy Carter destroyed the Nuclear plant construction industry.
At that time they had under construction two at Watts Bar, TN, two at Hartsville, TN, two at Yellow Creek, Ms, two at Bellefonte, Al, and a Breeder Reactor at Rogersville, TN. All were cancelled except they completed one, and later the second at Watts Bar and then unit 1 at Bellefonte.
It was an education about government operation. The dumbest most inefficient A-holes are promoted into management.
I talked to some Construction engineers who helped build Browns Ferry Nuclear plant. When you pour concrete walls there are sleeves in the concrete walls, before you pour the concrete. Once the concrete wall dries, electric cables are run through the sleeves to the adjacent rooms.
Once the cables are run the sleeve is sealed with some kind sealant. Then they pressurize one room and test the seal for leaks. They would hold a lit candle close to the seal and if the flame wavered they knew there was a problem. One day there was a leak, and the candle flame was sucked into the seal and ignition of something in the sleeve. The test engineer reported the near disaster to his boss. The Boss ignored him and said, do your job. Sometime later one caught fire and burned a big portion of the plant.
Fire
At that time they had under construction two at Watts Bar, TN, two at Hartsville, TN, two at Yellow Creek, Ms, two at Bellefonte, Al, and a Breeder Reactor at Rogersville, TN. All were cancelled except they completed one, and later the second at Watts Bar and then unit 1 at Bellefonte.
It was an education about government operation. The dumbest most inefficient A-holes are promoted into management.
I talked to some Construction engineers who helped build Browns Ferry Nuclear plant. When you pour concrete walls there are sleeves in the concrete walls, before you pour the concrete. Once the concrete wall dries, electric cables are run through the sleeves to the adjacent rooms.
Once the cables are run the sleeve is sealed with some kind sealant. Then they pressurize one room and test the seal for leaks. They would hold a lit candle close to the seal and if the flame wavered they knew there was a problem. One day there was a leak, and the candle flame was sucked into the seal and ignition of something in the sleeve. The test engineer reported the near disaster to his boss. The Boss ignored him and said, do your job. Sometime later one caught fire and burned a big portion of the plant.
Fire
This post was edited on 1/17/24 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/17/24 at 9:54 am to Tarps99
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That is the perfect balance of economics. You have garbage. You can either put it in a landfill where you could eventually pile up enough garbage to rival a volcano taking up a large swath of land or you just incinerate it into ash and create electricity in the process. It may not be that efficient in power generation and will pollute just as much as fossil fuel plant, but you don’t have a huge pile of garbage stinking up the islands.
It'd be far better and far more economically sound to not produce so much garbage but folks would have to wash diapers and drink water from the tap so that ain't ever gonna happen...
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:05 am to BeepNode
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Modern culture is just too whiney and uninspiring to roll out new infrastructure and overcome challenges like they used to in the 50's, 60's, and 70's. There's an excuse for everything.
The biggest excuse holding back infrastructure spending is the idea that infrastructure spending is akin to communism. That idea was a fringe element of the frickiing John Birch society until Ronald Reagan lead many Americans into believing it while simultaneously spending even more money on the military so companies could invest in third world shite holes and exploit cheap labor with some assurance that should the natives get restless daddy government will provide security....
Posted on 1/17/24 at 10:05 am to AwgustaDawg
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TVA almost solely responsible for bringing the SE Appalachian Region kicking and screaming into the 20th century.
It still brings tons of business to the valley. There is a reason Obama went after TVA and the Republicans defended it. Kinda funny when you think about it.
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