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re: Tulsa little league DQd from tournament
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:06 am to UpToPar
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:06 am to UpToPar
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By making a kid that just plays 12U year ineligible to make the all-star roster.
If you go look at the all-star roster for AP, Eastbank, and Lafayette for 9s, 10s, and 11s, almost every player on there is going to be a travel ball kid. Those kids are playing both travel and LL.
AP 11s for example....at least 8 of those kids played on a AAA/Majors travel ball team in 2026.
yea that is a league rule. and yea of course almost all of them are travel kids. you cant develop really playing only LL unless you just put in tons and tons of time outside of LL and 99% of the time that is not happening.
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Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:14 am to Barbellthor
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parents are STILL forcing their children
Why do we always assume parents are forcing their kids to play? Has it ever occurred to you that some kids love playing sports and this is what they want to do?
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 8:22 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:28 am to armytiger96
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Why do we always assume parents are forcing their kids to play? Has it ever occurred to you that some kids love playing sports and this is what they want to do?
ummm foreign concepts to the fat fricks of TD
They only want to talk about sports and assume the players that play at LSU magically just appear out of no where.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:47 am to lsu777
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yea that is a league rule. and yea of course almost all of them are travel kids.
Right, that's my point. In those leagues (which are the Louisiana representative almost every year), there is not some big influx of travel ball kids in the 12U year because (1) those leagues have rules in place preventing that and (2) those high-level travel ball kids are already playing in those leagues.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:53 am to baldona
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Still is. Although I'm not sure how it works. I'll often time look back and scores are changed. leave the game and it was 5-4 and wake up the next day to check next weeks game time and its 6-4
It’s called GameChanger for a reason
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:04 am to UpToPar
AP baseball has a majors division which is more geared towards the travel kids. They don’t practice as much and don’t play as many games knowing that those kids are playing almost every weekend and practicing a couple times a week, plus usually taking private lessons.
At the end of the majors season, they select an All-Star team from the majors league. They play a few tournaments in-state to qualify for the LLWS, then work their way through the LLWS bracket.
So yes, they are travel ball kids, but they’re also playing for a LL AP team, making a LL AP allstar team, then playing with that team to make the LLWS.
At the end of the majors season, they select an All-Star team from the majors league. They play a few tournaments in-state to qualify for the LLWS, then work their way through the LLWS bracket.
So yes, they are travel ball kids, but they’re also playing for a LL AP team, making a LL AP allstar team, then playing with that team to make the LLWS.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:05 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:49 am to Spike Buck
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AP baseball has a majors division which is more geared towards the travel kids. They don’t practice as much and don’t play as many games knowing that those kids are playing almost every weekend and practicing a couple times a week, plus usually taking private lessons.
I'm aware.
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At the end of the majors season, they select an All-Star team from the majors league. They play a few tournaments in-state to qualify for the LLWS, then work their way through the LLWS bracket.
Mostly correct. After the all-star team is selected, they play in a district tournament (with Eastbank and other teams from their district) and must finish 1st or 2nd in their district tournament to advance to the state tournament. If they advance to the state tournament, they must win the state tournament to advance to the regional tournament in Waco (the tournament they just played in). If they win the regional tournament, then they move on to the LLWS in Williamsport.
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So yes, they are travel ball kids, but they’re also playing for a LL AP team, making a LL AP allstar team, then playing with that team to make the LLWS.
Correct. AP has done a great job with their AP Select organization keeping these kids together for the most part.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:03 am to UpToPar
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Right, that's my point. In those leagues (which are the Louisiana representative almost every year), there is not some big influx of travel ball kids in the 12U year because (1) those leagues have rules in place preventing that and (2) those high-level travel ball kids are already playing in those leagues.
AP and maybe East bank are the only ones Im aware of with that rule.
SLC(traditionally the best league in the state with 4 LLWS births) used to have rule but removed it because it was killing the league. The league is pretty much dead now, especially after coach pitch.
I think Lafayette, traditionally the other powerhouse, has removed that rule too due to lack of participation.
point is, what AP is doing is very very unique. Its really cool how they are doing it but its certainly a 1 off. Eastbank is doing a great job too. They are catering to the Select kids while also building the league.
personally I hate LL. I hate the rules, hate the game play, hate pretty much everything about it other than the nostalgia, but I really appreciate what APLL is doing for sure.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:10 am to lsu777
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ummm foreign concepts to the fat fricks of TD They only want to talk about sports and assume the players that play at LSU magically just appear out of no where.
By the time a kid turns 11, I get if they want to focus on one sport only. I don’t like it but I get it. And if you want to focus on baseball at age 11 you need to find a good travel program.
It’s the 6 year old travel ball that is what the OT makes fun of, and rightfully so.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:15 am to lsu777
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AP and maybe East bank are the only ones Im aware of with that rule.
Nope.
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SLC(traditionally the best league in the state with 4 LLWS births) used to have rule but removed it because it was killing the league. The league is pretty much dead now, especially after coach pitch.
Maybe, but SLC isn't a contender anymore, like you said, beyond coach pitch.
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I think Lafayette, traditionally the other powerhouse, has removed that rule too due to lack of participation.
Nope. Lafayette still has that rule in place.
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point is, what AP is doing is very very unique. Its really cool how they are doing it but its certainly a 1 off. Eastbank is doing a great job too. They are catering to the Select kids while also building the league.
It's not unique. Eastbank and Lafayette are doing the same thing. Those three programs are contending for the state championship every year because they have strong numbers and are able to keep some of the travel ball kids in the park year after year.
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personally I hate LL. I hate the rules, hate the game play, hate pretty much everything about it other than the nostalgia, but I really appreciate what APLL is doing for sure.
Admittedly, LL baseball starts to look more like softball than it does baseball at the 12U level, but the nostalgia aspect is still strong. I won't disagree that there is much better baseball being played elsewhere, just without the same national exposure to the general masses. But there are still very high level players playing on some of these teams.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:16 am to lsu777
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personally I hate LL. I hate the rules, hate the game play
I do think not allowing leads lets the pitchers really focus on pitching development
But the 40ft rubber makes for a massive adjustment once they get to HS
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:20 am to LSUFanHouston
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It’s the 6 year old travel ball that is what the OT makes fun of, and rightfully so.
well Louisiana doesnt do 6u, really only texas does that
and the OT makes fun of all travel ball, period. no matter the age. been plenty of people have said travel ball should be banned, never play travel ball before high school or never play before 13. mostly by people who have zero clue, ill give you that
but also i get why someone may start at 7u too...but what i dont get is traveling more than at most an hour or maybe and i mean maybe 2 hours once a season to play in tournaments before kid pitch.
i agree there with the OT. and I do think kids should play other sports.....at a minimum a kid should be forced to try 2-3 other sports before middle school if for nothing else to see which sports you enjoy
I do not believe playing multisport in HS makes you better at baseball. There is absolutely nothing in football that is going to make you a better baseball player other than the culture football has in the weight room where is life or death to get stronger and put on weight. not saying you should play baseball year around, you shouldnt, but people who say play football to be better at baseball are pushing a false narrative, usually they like to bring up pro players who are phenoms and freaks, which doesnt apply to normal kid. You should play other sports because you love them.
if you choose not to play other sports, you should actually truly train in the off season and have a real off season to raise the physical floor.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:23 am to UpToPar
good to know on lafayette.
agree with everything else
and yea SLC is prolly done except for possibly a one off here and there. Way more focus on long term growth and prep for HS here.
agree with everything else
and yea SLC is prolly done except for possibly a one off here and there. Way more focus on long term growth and prep for HS here.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:26 am to LSUFanHouston
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I do think not allowing leads lets the pitchers really focus on pitching development
maybe for weaker kids but the better kids, it hurts the better kids because they have very little awareness on how to hold runners which leads to a huge huge learning curve come 13u
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But the 40ft rubber makes for a massive adjustment once they get to HS
its 46' but your point remains. but usually they go to a bigger field at 13/14 but my belief is the sudden jump in field size hurts kids and we lose a lot of kids at that point because the small field rewards the small players and they do not have the skills that scale up to the big field and there is little incentive to learn those skills.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:47 am to lsu777
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its 46'
Typo you are right
Our rec league at 12u allows runners to leave on the pitch and we have 65ft bases
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but the better kids, it hurts the better kids because they have very little awareness on how to hold runners which leads to a huge huge learning curve come 13u
I believe you have to be able to get the pitch right before you worry about runners. Or says another way, worrying about runners impacts ability to get pitch right.
Maybe some very high level 12u kids can handle that. I would not think too many.
I do think runners should be able to leave on the pitch release.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:49 am to LSUFanHouston
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I believe you have to be able to get the pitch right before you worry about runners. Or says another way, worrying about runners impacts ability to get pitch right.
i agree with that
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Maybe some very high level 12u kids can handle that. I would not think too many.
i just dont agree with this part. maybe I am biased because mine have always played in the majors division of travel ball, but pretty much every kid I have seen in 10u AAA/majors up handled it with little issue, even 9u above AA ball usually handles it fine.
I very much just could be in a bubble though as I havent been around LL type kids for 5 years now.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:25 am to lsu777
Following your posts on this thread you have been correct for the most part.
Especially referring to those ESPN letters. If you take away that exposure, this the LLWS wouldn’t mean anything to these families.
One correction, AP changed the rule this year from “you must play 11 to be an all star at 12”. Over the years the league has had many kids quit because they didn’t like who was coaching, directing, and the all star selection process. Over 10 former all stars quit this 12 year old year so they were replaced.
That rule kept kids from pimping out the league for one year for those special letters (ESPN). They brought in kids this year from outside the parish but these were selective invites with promises of being all stars.
Unfortunately the integrity of the AP league has taken hits internally the last several seasons.
Especially referring to those ESPN letters. If you take away that exposure, this the LLWS wouldn’t mean anything to these families.
One correction, AP changed the rule this year from “you must play 11 to be an all star at 12”. Over the years the league has had many kids quit because they didn’t like who was coaching, directing, and the all star selection process. Over 10 former all stars quit this 12 year old year so they were replaced.
That rule kept kids from pimping out the league for one year for those special letters (ESPN). They brought in kids this year from outside the parish but these were selective invites with promises of being all stars.
Unfortunately the integrity of the AP league has taken hits internally the last several seasons.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:33 am to AwesomeSauce
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Reading between the lines on the player eligibility, it looks like they are accused of using the sibling regulation of a challenger division (special needs) player to allow player(s) from another LL district to play on their team. The only issue is they are accused of not actually having a challenger division program. Also they were accused of the standard over using pitchers and not playing enough games to qualify, and when they were called out on it they were going back into gamechanger and changing the data, then submitting the gamechanger data as their proof to Little League. That doesn't work too well if the data before it was edited is what was used for the complaint.
I batted third and played CF for a state champion and have an engineering degree and I understood zero of this
What in the world
Is it because I’m old?
ETA: read your explanation and it makes sense
Great post
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 11:36 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 11:55 am to lsu777
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but pretty much every kid I have seen in 10u AAA/majors up handled it with little issue, even 9u above AA ball usually handles it fine.
That depends on what you consider to be "little issue." If by "handled it with little issue" you mean understanding when to pitch from the windup vs. stretch, how to slide step, how to pick off, and how to mix up looks, I agree. Most better players at 9U and 10U can understand these concepts and usually by the end of 9U are able to execute them.
If by "handle with little issue" you mean the pitchers are able to go from a leg lift to a slide step with little to no change in mechanics, I'll disagree with you. I've seen even high level 10 and 11U players struggle to repeat their mechanics while also trying to be quick to the plate. Many shorten their stride to much and try to be too quick, causing their arm to get ahead of their body. In my opinion, a lot form bad habits doing this and often times become "throwers" rather than "pitchers" until the game slows down a bit for them.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 12:10 pm to UpToPar
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If by "handle with little issue" you mean the pitchers are able to go from a leg lift to a slide step with little to no change in mechanics, I'll disagree with you. I've seen even high level 10 and 11U players struggle to repeat their mechanics while also trying to be quick to the plate. Many shorten their stride to much and try to be too quick, causing their arm to get ahead of their body. In my opinion, a lot form bad habits doing this and often times become "throwers" rather than "pitchers" until the game slows down a bit for them.
i havent seen that. most I know until about 11 or 12 go strictly out the stretch anyways. so simply a matter of leg lift height.
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