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re: True cost of fueling an electric vehicle may be as much as $17.33 per gallon of gas
Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:40 am to Tshiz
Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:40 am to Tshiz
This isn’t logic tho.
“Here’s the true cost of EV charging after you apply charging equipment costs and all the subsidies to the industry. Not even to the electricity itself, just to the industry but we are going to advertise it as a direct cost to you just because. Going to pretend these costs don’t exist on a gallon of gas though, no siree. Those pumps installed themselves and oil/gas doesn’t get billions in subsidies and project kickbacks..”
“Here’s the true cost of EV charging after you apply charging equipment costs and all the subsidies to the industry. Not even to the electricity itself, just to the industry but we are going to advertise it as a direct cost to you just because. Going to pretend these costs don’t exist on a gallon of gas though, no siree. Those pumps installed themselves and oil/gas doesn’t get billions in subsidies and project kickbacks..”
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Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:41 am to WB Davis
You have a few EV owners on this board that cam give you accurate info
Posted on 10/27/23 at 9:53 am to pankReb
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ok....then prove it wrong.
Well I mean if you look at the breakdown it includes things like feeling like it’s unfair for EV’s to be naturally exempt from CAFE emissions standards as they don’t really have emissions, so let’s just slap on a 6 dollar charge per “gallon” to simulate what the automaker of an ICE would have had to pay in credits for a car that doesn’t come close to meeting the requirements.
This is far from the worst of the mental gymnastics done.
They are literally adding charges that aren’t even paid by an EV driver, hoping people stop reading at the headline.
This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 10:06 am
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:29 am to Death Before Disco
If we are going to use every single cost associated with an EV to make comparisons, we need to do the same with an ICE. We need to look at any subsidies given O&G companies and the cost of road repairs associated with trucking millions of gallons of gasoline.
Ultimately, both ICE and EVs have a place. For me and the way I travel an EV other than a hybrid would make no sense. For a person who solely exists in an urban environment with lots of charging options and does not travel more than 200 miles round trip, an EV makes a lot of sense and for urban areas with significant smog issues, EVs also make a lot of sense. For most of the Gulf South, I don't think EVs are a great option.
Ultimately, people should be able to decide for themselves based on what they can afford and what they need.
Ultimately, both ICE and EVs have a place. For me and the way I travel an EV other than a hybrid would make no sense. For a person who solely exists in an urban environment with lots of charging options and does not travel more than 200 miles round trip, an EV makes a lot of sense and for urban areas with significant smog issues, EVs also make a lot of sense. For most of the Gulf South, I don't think EVs are a great option.
Ultimately, people should be able to decide for themselves based on what they can afford and what they need.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:31 am to Volvagia
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hose pumps installed themselves and oil/gas doesn’t get billions in subsidies and project kickbacks..
Shut up loser.
*Drives off in my DOE funded F150 Ecoboost.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:37 am to LSUfan4444
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Thank goodness for right wing foundations publishing unbiased studies that show the real truth so we can all be informed and see things from all angles.
Thank goodness for left-wing foundations publishing unbiased studies that show the real truth so we can all be informed and see things from all angles.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:40 am to WB Davis
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Texas Policy Foundation is a right-wing advocacy group funded by Koch Industries and private prison owners.
I'm no fan of electric vehicles, but I wouldn't call this a credible source of information.
RA'd for Poli board.
ETA (via WP):
Dude you linked the Washington Post
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:41 am to Hopeful Doc
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My buddy sent me his stats on the number of miles he drove and his fuel cost at the superchargers.
Over 4700 miles, his model 3 was cheaper to drive than my f150 by a whopping $60.
so how much was it costing him to charge his model 3 at a supercharger?
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:41 am to Death Before Disco
I mean, it's a right wing think tank. They may as well have said $1000 a gallon it would carry the same weight.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 10:54 am to billjamin
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Drives off in my DOE funded F150 Ecoboost
So the Dept of Energy gave Ford funds to develop the EcoBoost? I presume under an industry-wide grant/fund to improve emissions and mpg?
Or was it specific to only Ford to develop turbo-charged engines for their entire consumer line-up?
A link perhaps?
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:24 am to TigersnJeeps
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So the Dept of Energy gave Ford funds to develop the EcoBoost?
Yes and to expand facilities to build them
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I presume under an industry-wide grant/fund to improve emissions and mpg?
Thats not really how these things work. They put out an RFP and the companies apply. Winners are selected.
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Or was it specific to only Ford to develop turbo-charged engines for their entire consumer line-up?
Ford's proposal won.
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A link perhaps?
DOE ford
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:25 am to Death Before Disco
What does the cost of manufacturing an electric vehicle have to do with the cost of fueling an electric vehicle?
Comparing the price at the pump to the price at the charger + price of the car + price to build the charging station seems dishonest at best.
Comparing the price at the pump to the price at the charger + price of the car + price to build the charging station seems dishonest at best.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:27 am to KamaCausey_LSU
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What does the cost of manufacturing an electric vehicle have to do with the cost of fueling an electric vehicle?
It creates the circle jerk they wanted to get the clicks and views they need.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:28 am to WB Davis
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RA'd for Poli board.
How did that work out for you, dick knot?
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:29 am to mdomingue
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If we are going to use every single cost associated with an EV to make comparisons, we need to do the same with an ICE.
Thats not how propaganda works
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:29 am to billjamin
pretty much. entire article is based on facts, but irrelevant and out-of-context facts.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 11:37 am to Volvagia
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Well I mean if you look at the breakdown it includes things like feeling like it’s unfair for EV’s to be naturally exempt from CAFE emissions standards as they don’t really have emissions, so let’s just slap on a 6 dollar charge per “gallon” to simulate what the automaker of an ICE would have had to pay in credits for a car that doesn’t come close to meeting the requirements.
This is far from the worst of the mental gymnastics done.
They are literally adding charges that aren’t even paid by an EV driver, hoping people stop reading at the headline.
Good example. Sadly, you didn't owe him this. Burden of proof and all.......clearly many people here never actually sat in a classroom or participated in a real debate.
Posted on 10/27/23 at 12:22 pm to billjamin
So that was a loan - presumably paid back?
Are loans considered a subsidy? May be a f(duration, interest rate, other terms)
Are loans considered a subsidy? May be a f(duration, interest rate, other terms)
Posted on 10/27/23 at 12:28 pm to TigersnJeeps
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Are loans considered a subsidy?
Yes, because they're below market and have conditions more favorable that capital markets provide.
Also, the vast majority of "subsidies" that people talk about for EVs and renewables are actually similar loans or consumer facing tax incentives.
Actual grants are rare and typically reserved for companies developing new tech.
This post was edited on 10/27/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 10/27/23 at 12:41 pm to LSUfan4444
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Thats not how propaganda works
I am not an electric car advocate by any stretch. Electric cars are not a bad concept, but the idea that plug-in-charge-only EVs can displace ICE vehicles in even a decade is laughable.
There are some efficiency benefits to hybrids, you can run the engine in the peak power band at all times and get the most efficient use of your fuel, with no up and down revving of the engine. The biggest drawback to EVs is battery technology, which has not made any notable leaps in decades. Also, despite what people try to say, solar has been stagnant for quite some time as well.
I understand being annoyed with all the pop science crap spewed out and what seems to agenda driven by misinformation and hyperbole but I am not sure why people always feel like they need to knight for either side. Just be honest and share honest information.
So I'm sticking with my ICE for now and probably for the rest of my lifetime because of where I will choose to live and the limitations of an EV.
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