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re: Trial set to begin in murder of Austin Metcalf by Karmelo Anthony; Verdict is GUILTY

Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:09 pm to
Posted by stuckintexas
Austin & DFW
Member since Sep 2009
3282 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:09 pm to
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believe stand your ground is in your home or vehicle?

I think you're thinking of the castle doctrine. Texas doesn't have a specific "stand your ground" law like other states, if I remember correctly from some of the legal commentary I've heard.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75269 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:13 pm to
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I think the guys guilty but not sure that’s compelling in self defense vs aggression


what?
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10816 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 3:35 pm to
Prosecution rested. Calling 21 of 35 possible witnesses.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
81460 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

I think the guys guilty but not sure that’s compelling in self defense vs aggression


what?


I think he's just saying the fact that there was bone on the knife doesn't have much to do with the defense argument. We know he did it. He's trying to say it was self defense which it clearly wasn't.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
75269 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 4:05 pm to
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He's trying to say it was self defense which it clearly wasn't


self defense is off the table now that details are coming out:

- brought knife onto a school premises.
- went to a tent he didn’t belong under.
- provoked Metcalf.
- stabbed him with a 4” blade from his backpack in front of multiple witnesses.
- tried to run off and leave the area.
- threw the murder weapon into the bleachers.
- admitted to the murder to the cops.
- then asked the cops if he could plead self-defense.
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
10816 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 4:46 pm to
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A lot of supporters of Anthony are saying he will get off from the stand your ground law and the white kid started it


Texas has a do not retreat part of law, but the other qualifications to meet justification for force or deadly force have to be met, and they have not at all been met here for deadly force and looking doubtful for any force. Basically takes any need to retreat out of the equation when determining if immediate deadly force was reasonably necessary.
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(c) A person who has a right to be present at the location where the deadly force is used, who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used, and who is not engaged in criminal activity at the time the deadly force is used is not required to retreat before using deadly force as described by this section.

For purposes of Subsection (a)(2), in determining whether an actor described by Subsection (c) reasonably believed that the use of deadly force was necessary, a finder of fact may not consider whether the actor failed to retreat.




Also a section that adds specific instances where deadly force being immediately necessary is presumed to be reasonable which I guess is what most consider to be Castle Doctrine. None of which apply
quote:

The actor's belief under Subsection (a)(2) that the deadly force was immediately necessary as described by that subdivision is presumed to be reasonable if the actor:
(1) knew or had reason to believe that the person against whom the deadly force was used:
(A) unlawfully and with force entered, or was attempting to enter unlawfully and with force, the actor's occupied habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment;
(B) unlawfully and with force removed, or was attempting to remove unlawfully and with force, the actor from the actor's habitation, vehicle, or place of business or employment; or
(C) was committing or attempting to commit an offense described by Subsection (a)(2)(B);
(2) did not provoke the person against whom the force was used; and
(3) was not otherwise engaged in criminal activity, other than a Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance regulating traffic at the time the force was used.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
81460 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 5:00 pm to
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who has not provoked the person against whom the deadly force is used


Bring the instigator will torpedo a self defense claim just about anywhere.

You can't go looking for trouble and then claim self defense.
Posted by TigerBear1971
Member since May 2026
253 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 5:20 pm to
And i believe I read days ago, this jury is not sequestered, correct?
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
147338 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

Castle Doctrine

This is actually interesting

If Austin had stabbed Karmelo... Austin could've used this in his defense as they were under Austin's school's tent and tents are the "team locker room" in T&F & he was a team leader protecting his teammates & their possessions
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 6:05 pm
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
16163 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:08 pm to
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this jury is not sequestered

Correct
Posted by Recognizable Poster
Geaux Tigers
Member since Mar 2026
741 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 6:12 pm to
As a Collin County citizen and member of the potential jury pool in this matter, I am telling y'all this motherfricker is going to be convicted and his sentence will be very, very severe.

This is an extremely conservative area with an even more conservative leaning, elected judiciary.

You don't get to go to school and stab a kid in the chest and expect to walk away scott free around these parts, motherfricker.

I pity the families dealing with this, but our community is not fricking around and justice will prevail in this here matter - you can bet your bottom dollar on that.

This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 6:13 pm
Posted by moontigr
Dark Side of the Moon
Member since Nov 2020
7725 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:11 pm to
I pray to God you're right. I read online today where some Karmelo supporters were saying that the four black teammates who testified were "whitewashed Uncle Toms" who had been coached on what to say.

Get ready for the "He called me the n-word" defense next week - you know it's coming
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 8:17 pm
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3656 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:12 pm to
I still haven’t seen anything definitive as to if KA was actually scheduled to race that day or not. I know they said he was in and out in just 15 minutes.

One thing that I haven’t really seen mentioned is the fact that zero bystanders recorded any of the incident. Their tent was setup on the bottom level in front of several tents. If anything had been brewing that looked interesting you know kids would’ve taken their phone out and started recording. All of his teammates talked about how fast it happened and how shocked they were.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
104583 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:19 pm to
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I still haven’t seen anything definitive as to if KA was actually scheduled to race that day or not. I know they said he was in and out in just 15 minutes.


Story is that he was apparently suspended from school over the knife, which in turn meant he was suspended from school activities such as the track meet.
Posted by Archives
Member since Mar 2026
485 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:21 pm to
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As a Collin County citizen and member of the potential jury pool in this matter, I am telling y'all this motherfricker is going to be convicted and his sentence will be very, very severe.

This is an extremely conservative area with an even more conservative leaning, elected judiciary.

A shame that not every county could have a conservative, or the very least, centrist, judiciary.
FU, Soros.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 8:22 pm
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
2473 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:28 pm to
Who the hell does the defense even call to the stand?
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
5396 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 8:44 pm to
Ok, thank you.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
3656 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:20 pm to
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Story is that he was apparently suspended from school over the knife, which in turn meant he was suspended from school activities such as the track meet.

I asked Grok if that rumor was true and supposedly that is not accurate. Seems like that would’ve been discussed heavily by the prosecutors if so.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
16660 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:29 pm to
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As a Collin County citizen and member of the potential jury pool in this matter, I am telling y'all this motherfricker is going to be convicted


Have you paid attention to the make up of the citizens of your county, and the jury? It is not all white, there just aren't any blacks. There are Indians, muslims, etc. You may have a fantasy of what Collin county was back before the H1B invasion, but it's not that anymore.

Remember, Indians will be sensitive to "cultural concerns" in the wake of the Nowak killing in the UK with a kirpan, which nobody can carry but Sikhs.
This post was edited on 6/6/26 at 9:31 pm
Posted by Recognizable Poster
Geaux Tigers
Member since Mar 2026
741 posts
Posted on 6/6/26 at 9:33 pm to
Yes, Lemmy. Thank you.

As a matter of fact, I just logged in to state that what worries me slightly is the influx of folks from out west, namely California.

Those folks could be tainting our sacred jury pool. For shame
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