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Trade schools need to be promoted more in society
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:13 pm
Big college is full of degree programs that don't offer many career opportunities upon graduation especially considering the debt many take on.
I read that 10,000 electricians retire each year and only 7,000 enter the profession according to the National Electrical Contractors Association. With a current nationwide shortage of 100,000 electricians.
We need to focus on steering kids who are more mechanically minded and hands on into trade schools (and invest heavily in these schools) instead of promoting the mindset you need a college degree to be successful.
Many of these trades offer immediate job placement and the potential for a person to eventually open their own business.
I think inner cities would benefit from new trade schools where kids could learn skills that they could then use to improve the infrastructure of their own communities.
With the amount of money flowing out of the government each year there has to be a way to fund new trade schools
Just my .02
I read that 10,000 electricians retire each year and only 7,000 enter the profession according to the National Electrical Contractors Association. With a current nationwide shortage of 100,000 electricians.
We need to focus on steering kids who are more mechanically minded and hands on into trade schools (and invest heavily in these schools) instead of promoting the mindset you need a college degree to be successful.
Many of these trades offer immediate job placement and the potential for a person to eventually open their own business.
I think inner cities would benefit from new trade schools where kids could learn skills that they could then use to improve the infrastructure of their own communities.
With the amount of money flowing out of the government each year there has to be a way to fund new trade schools
Just my .02
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:16 pm to texag7
Yep
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:19 pm to texag7
Yes, we all know what Mike Rowe is trying to preach.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:19 pm to texag7
There are quite a few trades out there that are in high demand, but it seems like in HS.. The kids who are going to college is the only students that HS is built around preparing. The other kids just go through it with nothing to gain. There are some HSs that offer welding and other types of trades, but for the most part it seems like kids are still being sold on having to go to college when they finish HS.
When I graduated in 97, a college degree was much more valuable, but today.. If you are not going to college to be an engineer, doctor, teacher, work in media, and a few other.. it's better to go to trade school.
When I graduated in 97, a college degree was much more valuable, but today.. If you are not going to college to be an engineer, doctor, teacher, work in media, and a few other.. it's better to go to trade school.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:19 pm to texag7
I hear trade schools being promoted a heck of a lot. One thing that is misleading is that Obama wanted to claim that a lot more kids graduated from college during his term, so he renamed trade schools as community colleges...result was an instant increase in college grads!
While I agree with everything you posted, I think the market will lure young people back into the trades. As we get short on skilled tradespeople, pay will naturally increase and folks will be drawn into those areas.
While I agree with everything you posted, I think the market will lure young people back into the trades. As we get short on skilled tradespeople, pay will naturally increase and folks will be drawn into those areas.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:20 pm to texag7
I 100% agree
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:24 pm to texag7
So you are saving up to send your kid to trade school instead of a university?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:25 pm to texag7
I agree 100%
I'm looking for a career change myself, office work drives me insane, and I'm looking to get into woodworking and have been researching woodworking schools. Goal is to start with some basic local beginners classes and then get into a legit school in the next year.
That said, if anybody here is a woodworker and has tips for getting started they would be much appreciated.
I'm looking for a career change myself, office work drives me insane, and I'm looking to get into woodworking and have been researching woodworking schools. Goal is to start with some basic local beginners classes and then get into a legit school in the next year.
That said, if anybody here is a woodworker and has tips for getting started they would be much appreciated.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:26 pm to texag7
Wood shop and auto shop and home economics needs to be put back in high schools
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:26 pm to texag7
I think all kids should learn to read, write, spell, basic math, history and etc up until the 8th grade. After that there should be 2 separate 'lines of progression". One should be a traditional college line of progression, and then a trade/craft line of progression. I think there should be separate high schools for each also. This is my bare bones idea in a nutshell.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:27 pm to ScrapPack
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think all kids should learn to read, write, spell, basic math, history and etc up until the 8th grade.
Because parents don't put enough pressure on young kids.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:29 pm to BowlJackson
Trade schools keep you nimble. You don't spend half the decade trying to get a degree. You can make great money, and switch trades if you like. Learn how to run a business and make more than 80% with a bachelors.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 5:30 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:30 pm to texag7
100 percent agree. The idea you have to have a degree from a 4 yr university to be successful is a load of crap. Trade,degree,or dropout doesn't matter. Work ethic and common sense can take a man far in this world if he wants it bad enough.
Trades are great
Most degrees are great.
Neither are mandatory for success.
Just my .02
Trades are great
Most degrees are great.
Neither are mandatory for success.
Just my .02
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:31 pm to texag7
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Many of these trades offer immediate job placement and the potential for a person to eventually open their own business.
They also have seasonal fluctuations in income (sometimes for years at a time) and the potential that you ruin your body and end up on Disability at 35 due to the demanding physical nature/danger of some trades.
If you're in a small town, even a steady job as a plumber, mechanic, or HVAC can be hard to break into if there's another established business in town. Those are the professions that once someone finds one they like, they stick with them for 20-30 years.
I do think we should be pushing these big time in the inner city. Blue collar trades lifted millions of people out of poverty and offered their children a chance at an easier life before, and they can do it again for those that actually desire to work.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 5:34 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:37 pm to texag7
DON'T YOU DISCREDIT MY GENDER STUDIES DEGREE YOU NAZI!
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:38 pm to fightin tigers
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So you are saving up to send your kid to trade school instead of a university?
He's saying that university isn't for everybody. Skilled laborers are just as important to society as doctors and lawyers are.
There are tons of kids out there who are plenty intelligent and capable but for whatever reason traditional schooling just isnt for them. But for whatever reason our society tells kids that college is the only way to be successful and happy and that's just not true. People tend to look down their nose at things like trade school and blue collar jobs but that's damaging to society IMO. I know I'm much more happy building something with my hands than typing on a computer. My HS didn't have any sort of shop classes and did nothing to promote the trades, I would have benefited greatly from that. Instead I'm almost 27 and just now realizing I fricking hate white collar work and am looking into a new career.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:46 pm to fightin tigers
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So you are saving up to send your kid to trade school instead of a university?
Statistics indicate a whole lot of people saving and investing for their kid to go to college should be looking at the alternatives to college, "most" high school graduates are not college material.
I stole this from a similar thread on the politics board.
"According the ACT only 37% of test takers are "ready for college," yet 70 percent of high school graduates enroll in college.
Among black students, the number is 7%.
63% of high school graduates are reading at an 8th grade level or below
Among black students, the number is 85%.
Over half of college students take at least one remedial course. "
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:46 pm to Rust Cohle
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Trade schools keep you nimble. You don't spend half the decade trying to get a degree. You can make great money, and switch trades if you like. Learn how to run a business and make more than 80% with a bachelors
The woodworking school I want to get into is only 9 months and their alumni have a very successful track record. They just don't accept absolute beginners so I'm going to take beginners classes locally to prepare for when their application process opens back up next year.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 5:48 pm to texag7
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read that 10,000 electricians retire each year and only 7,000 enter the profession according to the National Electrical Contractors Association. With a current nationwide shortage of 100,000 electricians
My job is currently paying electrician's helpers $16/hr
That's to put in lighting systems and circuits in an air conditioned space.
If you can pass a piss test and show up to work you will be paid more than 2x the minimum wage.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 5:48 pm
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