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re: Trade schools need to be promoted more in society
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:17 pm to texag7
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:17 pm to texag7
I got friends who work the tools on assembly lines, repair them and train people worldwide on this. After their apprenticeship on how to maintain the tools and 3,000 hours of training they are doing well. They have been to China and Mexico making upper 6 figure incomes training people on how to do what they do in mfg plants. Not bad for a couple of country bumpkins.
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:20 pm to BowlJackson
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He's saying that university isn't for everybody. Skilled laborers are just as important to society as doctors and lawyers are.
Right.
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. Instead I'm almost 27 and just now realizing I fricking hate white collar work and am looking into a new career.
And I'm sure it wont be as a welder or diesel engine mechanic.
No one has dreams of their kids getting a trade school degree. It's society as a whole and that's not changing anytime soon. I work with plenty of people who think your kid should get a trade school degree. Theirs is going to a university though.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:24 pm to EA6B
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"According the ACT only 37% of test takers are "ready for college," yet 70 percent of high school graduates enroll in college.
I am surprised that many are ready for college.
OJT is just as useful as trade school in most cases, but again, a fallacy of our society that we need a school to teach everything.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:31 pm to fightin tigers
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No one has dreams of their kids getting a trade school degree. It's society as a whole and that's not changing anytime soon. I work with plenty of people who think your kid should get a trade school degree. Theirs is going to a university though.
There will eventually be a tipping point when the parents that are subsidizing their un and under- employed college graduates die off, and their children will not be able to pay the plumber, electrician, HVAC tech, etc. the $150/hr needed to keep the house their parent s left them livable.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:38 pm to texag7
If you have just the slightest amount of business sense, you can make a quarter of a million easy owning an electrical business. You don’t even have to be a good electrician
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:38 pm to EA6B
Or the more likely, the plumber has a degree and debt and regrets doing it
But he swears his kid will go to college to better themselves.
But he swears his kid will go to college to better themselves.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:42 pm to bee Rye
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If you have just the slightest amount of business sense, you can make a quarter of a million easy owning an electrical business. You don’t even have to be a good electrician
Less than 5% of households make that in the US so I'm going to go ahead and call bullshite
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:44 pm to fightin tigers
Yeah, it's a classic "everyone else should do it" thing.
I grew up with some kids of successful farmers, plumbers, and builders. Their parents pushed them to go to college despite their own success.
I grew up with some kids of successful farmers, plumbers, and builders. Their parents pushed them to go to college despite their own success.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:44 pm to texag7
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Trade schools need to be promoted more in society
Where the frick have you been. Mandeville and Dutchtown high-schools are both very reputable for sending kids to 4 yr universities. However, both have programs geared towards students who, after 10th grade, are not headed towards college prep classes. They now guide these kids towards certifications in EMT, auto-mechanic, carpentry, or Tops grant to 2 yr CC for Ptech/welding/nursing pre-reqs
I was pleasantly shocked to learn all this a year ago at my daughter's orientation.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 7:45 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I grew up with some kids of successful farmers, plumbers, and builders. Their parents pushed them to go to college despite their own success.
Because the probability of you being successful is a hell of a lot higher. This isn't really hard to understand yet every OT baw can't get it through their brain. I honestly don't understand it.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:00 pm to mikelbr
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However, both have programs geared towards students who, after 10th grade, are not headed towards college prep classes. They now guide these kids towards certifications in EMT, auto-mechanic, carpentry, or Tops grant to 2 yr CC for Ptech/welding/nursing pre-reqs
Yep. There are a couple going into things like welding and Ptech. Most of those are using the line "I have a trade to fall back on if I dont make it to college"
Which is great, but they are still going the college route. I think mainly because the view not going to college as a stigma.
A lot of the students going to RPCC have been getting college coursework out of the way, which is great (there are some negatives too).
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:43 pm to fightin tigers
Nothing wrong with any path to a career either college or vocation.
When I left Louisiana I went to GM and worked at the Mfg plant which got on being friends with a guy who’s father was in HR. It just was not my thing doing basically entry level work and I went to California. My friend stayed, showed interest in metal side versus assembly line work, and learned how to stamp metal parts, repair the machines, and run the machines. Now he goes around the world teaching his skill making good money.
When I left Louisiana I went to GM and worked at the Mfg plant which got on being friends with a guy who’s father was in HR. It just was not my thing doing basically entry level work and I went to California. My friend stayed, showed interest in metal side versus assembly line work, and learned how to stamp metal parts, repair the machines, and run the machines. Now he goes around the world teaching his skill making good money.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:52 pm to ScrapPack
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I think all kids should learn to read, write, spell, basic math, history and etc up until the 8th grade. After that there should be 2 separate 'lines of progression". One should be a traditional college line of progression, and then a trade/craft line of progression. I think there should be separate high schools for each also. This is my bare bones idea in a nutshell.
Our county had a vocational school when I was growing up. I’m not sure if it still does. Those kids would go there to learn trades. Mechanic, beauty salon technicians and a bunch of other trades. They started there their junior year. No bus service so they had to drive to school.
Mahoning County CTC
Just found it.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:59 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Less than 5% of households make that in the US so I'm going to go ahead and call bullshite
But what percentage of electricians that are business owners make that?
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:01 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:00 pm to texag7
What are the women gonna do ?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:00 pm to VABuckeye
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But what percentage of business owners make that?
Most businesses fail within 5 years so a small percentage. Most people making over 250k are lawyers and doctors and bankers not electricians no matter how bad you people want them to be.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Oh, really?
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According to the IRS small business owners are also a high percentage of earners about $250k.
Despite what some have been taught over the years the IRS says the average Doctor earns $179k a year, few earn in the $250k range anymore.
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This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:06 pm to texag7
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the potential for a person to eventually open their own business.
I think inner cities would benefit from new trade schools where kids could learn skills that they could then use to improve the infrastructure of their own communities.
It’s like you have no grasp on inner cities. You ever think that nobody dream job is to be an electrician
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:06 pm to VABuckeye
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Oh, really?
You didn't disprove anything I said. The top 10% if electricians make around 90k while almost 50% of doctors make 200k. That means we can imply that there are many, many more doctors making 250k than electricians.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
The post you quoted was about electricians who own their own business, not all electricians.
You can extrapolate the information to other trades. That’s what the IRS is saying. If you want to make $250k you have a better chance to do it by opening a successful small business. BTW, your businesses that fail number is skewed by people opening restaurants and retail stores that don’t know what the hell they’re doing.
You can extrapolate the information to other trades. That’s what the IRS is saying. If you want to make $250k you have a better chance to do it by opening a successful small business. BTW, your businesses that fail number is skewed by people opening restaurants and retail stores that don’t know what the hell they’re doing.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:11 pm
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