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re: Trade schools need to be promoted more in society
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:27 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:27 pm to VABuckeye
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No one in this or the other thread said that
A lot in all of these threads act like college is unnecessary and trades are just as good, and they just simply are not a large majority of the time, especially as we continue to move into a more sophisticated service economy.
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What people are saying is that it’s possible to make a good living
It's definitely possible, but it's a hell of a lot less likely than someone that's college educated.
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make a good living for most and for some who are willing to take on risk there can be great rewards
Or you could end up broke and unemployed, which happens half the time at best and more likely a majority of the time within a couple of years.
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that a college degree isn’t the end all be all that so many people in this country believe it is.
It's not the end all be all, but it should be a higher goal than being a welder.
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Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:27 pm to VABuckeye
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20 and hour is entry level here for an apprentice electrician. That’s for a kid starting out.
Yep, instead of accumulating student loans, apprentices get paid to learn
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:28 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I hear you man.
Well, that’s it for me. Gotta get up early to get those crews out so I can somehow barely survive running a blue collar small business.
Well, that’s it for me. Gotta get up early to get those crews out so I can somehow barely survive running a blue collar small business.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:28 pm to VABuckeye
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You hate the truth Jethro?
I take it you're a banker at some Wells Fargo branch.
BLS 2017
$63,780 per year
$30.66 per hour
Again, I'm not talking about a guy that qualifies you for your 200k mortgage, I'm talking about real bankers, like the guys that work on Wall Street and in hedge funds
Eta: and according to your own statistics those guys still make almost 20k more per year than the average electrician.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:33 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I'm talking about real bankers, like the guys that work on Wall Street and in hedge funds
Both are bankers, Gomer.
Are you saying the BLS is unreliable? That the guys who make a fortune might be in some other category?
Why do you hate statistics?
Electricians start off making more
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Electricians start off making more
Worrying about what you make at 18 or 22 is incredibly short sided and dumb.
And I know a bank teller doesn't make shite, most are pretty damn dumb, hence why they are a bank teller.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Worrying about what you make at 18 or 22 is incredibly short sided and dumb.
Solid benefits, good pension and the opportunity to move up the ladder. Sounds solid to me
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:not everyone needs student loans, and for those who actually graduate, it's not that bad
Yep, instead of accumulating student loans, apprentices get paid to learn
quote:not that much money at all, especially if you got a decent degree.
When they graduate, the average student loan borrower has $37,172 in student loans, a $20,000 increase from 13 years ago. With that money, borrowers could put a down payment on a home, purchase a new car or bootstrap their own business.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:43 pm to texag7
I could have gone either way, had good grades good ACT score etc. I had a “holy shite” moment while in school. I got married and bought a house. Lived there a year and sold it for $40,000 more than I paid for it because of about a month’s worth of work I did on it. I had been a painter’s helper in high school and learned how to do other stuff as I went along. I bought another house and some land and flipped it after 6 month’s worth of work for a big profit. I learned how to do things along the way, from drywall to flooring to electrical.
I quit school and started my own business. Not having a boss or someone to set my schedule is priceless. I decide how much I work, how much make and don’t have to kiss anyone’s arse or play politics.
College was great, but I had no idea what i wanted to do right up until the moment I quit in year 3.
I quit school and started my own business. Not having a boss or someone to set my schedule is priceless. I decide how much I work, how much make and don’t have to kiss anyone’s arse or play politics.
College was great, but I had no idea what i wanted to do right up until the moment I quit in year 3.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:47 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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that a college degree isn’t the end all be all that so many people in this country believe it is.
It's not the end all be all, but it should be a higher goal than being a welder.
You are big on statistics, here is one for you only 40% of students starting college at a 4 year institution graduate after 4 years, for males it is only 34%
LINK
Most of these students would have been much better off spending that time and money learning to be a welder, or similar skilled worker, but people like you keep perpetrating the idea that doing so should be considered a failure at life.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:49 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Some kid who is contemplating college, thinking about finance but not really excited.
Go to college for 4 years, accumulate 30k in debt for a job that you're not passionate about and comes with stress, or start off at 18 in an apprenticeship program making 20/hr while learning and taking classes. Shortage of skilled labor, good pension and insurance and gradually move up to $31/hr in 4 years (starting journeyman wage) while being able to live independently (no parental support)
Sure sounds like a viable option to me.
Go to college for 4 years, accumulate 30k in debt for a job that you're not passionate about and comes with stress, or start off at 18 in an apprenticeship program making 20/hr while learning and taking classes. Shortage of skilled labor, good pension and insurance and gradually move up to $31/hr in 4 years (starting journeyman wage) while being able to live independently (no parental support)
Sure sounds like a viable option to me.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:51 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:52 pm to EA6B
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people like you keep perpetrating the idea that doing so should be considered a failure at life.
I'm not sure why you can't distinguish between what I'm saying and what you're thinking. You can make an honest living working a trade and that's better than being a lazy POS. I'm only pointing out that contrary to what a lot on this board thing, IN General (a term many of you struggle with), being college educated is better than not. If an average student has the option to become a welder or go be a C college student and graduate, the college route is usually better. That's not to say it is better 100% of the time, but more times than not it is when you consider all factors such as benefits, intensity of work, opportunity for advancement, etc.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:53 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
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I quit school and started my own business. Not having a boss or someone to set my schedule is priceless. I decide how much I work, how much make and don’t have to kiss anyone’s arse or play politics.
According to what I have read in this thread, you have little chance of success, your business will almost surely fail within five years, and since you have no college degree you have little chance of ever being financially successful at any endeavor. Fortunately, I don't believe any of that and think that it is people like you that make America great. We have too many college graduates with all the answers when they cant even comprehend the problem.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 9:54 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Some kid who is contemplating college, thinking about finance but not really excited.
Go to college for 4 years, accumulate 30k in debt for a job that you're not passionate about and comes with stress, or start off at 18 in an apprenticeship program making 20/hr while learning and taking classes. Shortage of skilled labor, good pension and insurance and gradually move up to $31/hr in 4 years (starting journeyman wage) while being able to live independently (no parental support)
Sure sounds like a viable option to me.
Again, you can't see the trees through the Forrest. A 30k investment in yourself is really peanuts over the entirety of a career. I could've been self sufficient at 18 making $15/hour, but that doesn't make it any less dumb to go do it.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:55 pm to EA6B
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According to what I have read in this thread, you have little chance of success, your business will almost surely fail within five years, and since you have no college degree you have little chance of ever being financially successful at any endeavor. Fortunately, I don't believe any of that and think that it is people like you that make America great. We have too many college graduates with all the answers when they cant even comprehend the problem.
One guy beating the mean doesn't change the mean. I'm not sure why that is so hard for you to understand. Anyone that is successful, I'm genuinely happy for. I wish everyone was, but that doesn't change the facts.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Again, you can't see the trees through the Forrest. A 30k investment in yourself is really peanuts over the entirety of a career.
Median earnings for workers with a 4 year degree is about 60k Junior.
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 10:02 pm
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:03 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Median earnings for workers with a 4 year degree is about 60k Junior.
Do you think wages and compensation are the same thing?
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:07 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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One guy beating the mean doesn't change the mean.
It’s true. The people that can’t hack it in school aren’t necessarily going to do great working with their hands. A lot of what it takes to do really well in construction and in the white collar world is the same. It takes people skills, negotiation, a shite ton of math and research.
I don’t know if it’s our educational system or what, but whether white or blue collar, most people are grunts. There are very few outside-the-box thinkers and risk takers these days.
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:10 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Do you think wages and compensation are the same thing?
For practical purposes, the stats were based on earnings
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