re: Toyota issues recall, stop sale on 100,000 Tundra pickup trucks due to engine failures

My 2013 still running strong

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I thought about getting a Tacoma or Frontier but I just paid off my truck and with truck prices, I’m going to hang on to it for as long as I can

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I'll probably drive my current F150 until it falls apart. It's been a solid truck for me for 7 years. I'm not willing to spend more than 30 something on a vehicle. They just aren't worth any more than that to me.

If it’s a manufacturing defect theGX and LX are good. They are JDM.

My 23 isn't effected thankfully. Looks like it is mainly in the non hybrid motor.

The new gen Tundra Facebook groups are pretty hot right now

Immediately after this is resolved will probably be a great time to buy

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Meh Tundra owners hate the new tundra

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long time Tundra driver, I wouldn't say "hate" but certainly won't touch a recent Tundra or 4Runner since they dropped V8

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I don't remember if it's the Colorado /Canyon or Tacoma, but one of them gets worse gas mileage with the 4 cyl turbo than the previous gen V6. The 2.7 F150 gets about 1mpg better than the 5.0. It's really nothing, or close to nothing for most people.

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That 2.7L V6 Ford and the 2.7L I-4 Turbomax Chevrolet are both really good motors. They've cracked the code around reliable turbocharged pickup engines. That's what happens when you are a massive company that can throw tons of cash around on engineering and production. It's a lot harder for Mazda or even Nissan to do the same.

None of those smaller displacement turbo motors are significantly more efficient than the larger displacement naturally aspirated motors they replaced. And I suspect both of those engines (the GM and the Ford) costs substantially more to develop and build than 1990s or 2000's era V8s, even adjusting for inflation. These turbo motors are entirely a government compliance thing.

Since they are more expensive to produce (and thus more expensive to purchase) and don't offer a fuel economy advantage....the least Toyota can do is to ensure that their very expensive trucks and SUVs are at least as reliable as they were in the past. I think they are trying to do that, but they are learning a very tough lesson in global parts commonality: If it's a bad part, you've got a global problem.

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'd be pretty pissed too if I bought a brand-new 50-70k truck that had to have the engine rebuilt.

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Lemon law it

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long time Tundra driver, I wouldn't say "hate" but certainly won't touch a recent Tundra or 4Runner since they dropped V8

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The V6 in the current 2023 4Runner has been around for almost 20 years.

But I get what you are saying....the new 4Runner is switching to a turbo 4 cylinder only powerplant. And Toyota is proving that they are not immune to serious design or manufacturing flaws.

100,000 Tundras over a 15 month period is likely over 70% of all of the trucks made in that time. That's an astounding failure.

I imagine they'll drain the oil on those recalled trucks and cut the filter open to inspect for metal debris/shavings. If they find any, the truck doesn't leave the shop until it gets a new engine block. If they don't find any, they truck gets sent back to the owners with fresh oil and some peace of mind for the people who depend on them.

In most states, a 30 day period at the dealership for the same issue usually triggers some lemon laws and buy backs. An engine block replacement is a long repair not even including a potential backlog in parts. That will likely bump up against those lemon law requirements pretty easily.

General Motors had that problem a few years ago with some of those 8 speed transmissions in their full sized trucks. They sort of swapped the transmission fluid as a temp fix and sent the customers on their way until they had enough parts to start replacing/rebuilding the transmission. Meanwhile, they quietly did some design changes and had new parts numbers on newer 8 speed transmissions but still never officially admitted that they had a design problem with the original one. Like we know they did SOMETHING to fix it in the newer ones....why do that if the old ones weren't flawed?

Ford has done even shadier stuff with the powerstroke diesel (still do), 10 speed transmissions in their F-150s/Expeditions, and the cam phaser problems with their earlier turbo motors. They've actually had a lot of issues lately with their trucks and Explorer SUV's. Their quality lately has been in the dumpster, but is slowly improving again after all of those parts problems with the pandemic. They are getting a lot of heat now for that and their major price increases.

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Lemon law it

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Does not qualify