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re: TOPs will require ACT of 28
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:43 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:43 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
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When some schools hand out GPAs like candy for just showing up, you cannot accurately state this.
This is really true. I know this is anecdotal, but I went to a "A" graded high school in the state. Two of our top 10 graduates dropped out of school in their second year. They were the kind of people who graduated with a 4.0, yet scored a 20 on their ACT. Another top 10 GPA student ended up going to associates degree route.
There is not one metric that you can place on a student to determine success.
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Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:44 pm to Pectus
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So it's all just circular then. I guess that's why this is so messy.
Your ACT score won't be high, because you go to school in Louisiana.
This isn't circular.
I went to public school in Mississippi and got over a 28.
In fact, every one of us (3 siblings) made that score attending MS public school.
That's an anecdote, but your post still didn't display circular reasoning.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:46 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Then why can't GPA be good a factor?
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 3:47 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:46 pm to NIH
ACT is extremely learnable
if you can't manage a 30 on that thing with all the study programs available then you are either not college material or lazy
if you can't manage a 30 on that thing with all the study programs available then you are either not college material or lazy
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:46 pm to Epic Cajun
Standardized test scores are WAY more accurate in predicting college success than GPA. Any smart kid that scored high on ACT/SAT can raise a poor/mediocre GPA, a dumb kid is never going to get smarter and improve scores.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:46 pm to Pectus
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Can I ask what your masters is in, for you to have this mindset?
Healthcare Informatics
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:47 pm to tigerskin
28 is pretty easy
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:47 pm to Pectus
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I know. I was looking at the bigger picture. For those not necessarily as smart as others.
Issue being you stated something was circular when it isn't.
It isn't a fact you won't score a 28 or over if you attend a LA school. If it was a fact, then it would be circular. Since it isn't a fact, it isn't circular.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:48 pm to Pectus
Standardized tests don't just prove how much you know. The kids that excel at them have to display high level problem solving and time optimization skills. That separates the low 20s scores and the 30s and above.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:48 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
I know. I am just sad because I know there are kids out there like my that can't do well on the ACT. That is where I agree with Epic Cajun. We need more than one metric to judge the need of a college student.
I actually had to take the SAT once because I didn't do well on the ACT. Then I took the ACT again. My scores were high enough in single subjects in both to get out of a couple required courses.
But if I didn't test and test again, I wouldn't have even had TOPS.
I actually had to take the SAT once because I didn't do well on the ACT. Then I took the ACT again. My scores were high enough in single subjects in both to get out of a couple required courses.
But if I didn't test and test again, I wouldn't have even had TOPS.
This post was edited on 2/14/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:49 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:
Healthcare Informatics
Statistician?
Or something else?
Did you have a thesis or non-thesis masters?
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:50 pm to Epic Cajun
for all intents and purposes, I went to two schools.
school a: very rural, uneducated, and poor.
school b: suburban, mostly well off, good reputation.
the #2 of school a dropped out after 1 semester.
kids who graduated in the middle of our class at school b are finishing engineering and accounting degrees from decent state schools with the upper echelon at schools like Princeton and Vanderbilt.
most rural schools are absolute jokes. everyone knows or is related to everyone so they all get Bs for showing up and As for trying to do the work.
school a: very rural, uneducated, and poor.
school b: suburban, mostly well off, good reputation.
the #2 of school a dropped out after 1 semester.
kids who graduated in the middle of our class at school b are finishing engineering and accounting degrees from decent state schools with the upper echelon at schools like Princeton and Vanderbilt.
most rural schools are absolute jokes. everyone knows or is related to everyone so they all get Bs for showing up and As for trying to do the work.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:50 pm to tigerskin
good
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:50 pm to Pectus
Not a statistician, cap stone project rather than thesis.
I'd rather not give out too much info
I'd rather not give out too much info
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:52 pm to Epic Cajun
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:52 pm to Pectus
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I know. I am just sad because I know there are kids out there like my that can't do well on the ACT.
So you can go to college and work hard and get grad school covered. Life isn't fair.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:54 pm to Epic Cajun
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Not a statistician, cap stone project rather than thesis.
I'd rather not give out too much info
Probably basically the same thing. I don't think you were fair in saying that people who get these next-level degrees are more educated, because you only stick to your discipline and one branch of your discipline at that.
I think you should have said that you are more applied. Because you do more than learn when you get these things.
I am trying to give you more credit...and myself.
And masters degree without a thesis isn't a masters.
Just messing. 
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:54 pm to cgrand
quote:
ACT is extremely learnable
if you can't manage a 30 on that thing with all the study programs available then you are either not college material or lazy
OT quote of the day
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:54 pm to Golfer
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So you can go to college and work hard and get grad school covered. Life isn't fair.
What are you going for here? I am missing something.
Posted on 2/14/16 at 3:55 pm to gatorrocks
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Isn't racist to say this? You're basically saying having a standards is racist.
For whatever reason the average black ACT tester only scores a 17.0 according to a quick Google search, far below whites and Asians. There was already a thread earlier today saying TOPS was bad because 75% of the recipients were white kids, with this new minimum of 28 that's going to be like 90% based on test score. The other 9% will be other races and maybe 1% black in a state with a huge black population so it has to be considered racist and if you consider disparate impact it also is probably illegal.
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