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re: Toilet thought of the day: Have politics always been this divisive?
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:35 am to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:35 am to 13SaintTiger
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Yes it does, it’s the definition of conservative
It depends on which definition you use. It's supposed to mean tighter with the checkbook, but social cons split off of that branch.
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:42 am to 13SaintTiger
You might find this article interesting LINK
It talks some about divisiveness.
It talks some about divisiveness.
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Partisanship has surely ramped up—but Americans have been partisan before, to the point of civil war. Today’s media environment is certainly unique, though it’s following some classic patterns. This is hardly the first time there have been partisan publications, or many competing outlets, or even information silos. People often despair at the loss of the mid-20th-century model, when just a few newspapers and TV channels fed people most of their unbiased news vegetables. But in the 19th century, papers were known for competing for eyeballs with sensational headlines, and in the time of the Founding Fathers, Federalist and Republican papers were constantly sniping at each other. In times when communication wasn’t as easy as it is now, news was more local—you could say people were in geographical information silos. The mid-20th-century “mainstream media” was an anomaly.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:42 am to Salmon
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Just because we are more aware of it these days due to the ability to share and exchange our beliefs, does not mean this didn't exist before.
People are only sharing and exchanging ideas within their own echo chamber and are not willing to reasonably listen to the other side.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:43 am to 504Voodoo
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People are only sharing and exchanging ideas within their own echo chamber and are not willing to reasonably listen to the other side.
And it's nothing new.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:46 am to Salmon
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And it's nothing new.
Well, the echo chambers are far more fringe today.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:46 am to Salmon
Wut? The 90s ushered in the tech age and had a booming economy. The 80s and 00s have been similar with stagnant economy's and financial crashes.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:49 am to RogerTheShrubber
Fringe is relative. What is fringe today most likely won't be in 50 years.
Same goes if you move backwards.
Same goes if you move backwards.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:49 am to 13SaintTiger
You are not politically astute, as you already admitted.
Conservative = small government/states rights
Liberal = big government/federal rights
Conservative = small government/states rights
Liberal = big government/federal rights
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:50 am to AUCE05
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Wut? The 90s ushered in the tech age and had a booming economy.
crime, drug abuse, teen pregnancy, etc were all also at or near all time highs
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:53 am to GusMcRae
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Conservative = small government/states rights
Liberal = big government/federal rights
This doesn't cover the spectrum today though. It did 20 years ago, but not today. You still have social cons and progressives who are the opposite side of the same coin.
Liberals and traditional conservatives are dying out.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:53 am to Centinel
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We need to bring back dueling. An elegant solution from a more civilized age.
Sword duels. Melee battles. We need less senseless killing and more sanctioned killing.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:57 am to bigberg2000
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You also get regular folks that you know are level headed just share the most biased ridiculous shite just because it’s easy
Yep. It's so much easier to take the side you agree with and prove it than to dig deeper and find the flaws in it.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 10:00 am
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:57 am to fr33manator
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Sword duels.
Especially this. Will let me put my ten years of foil/epee experience to use.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:58 am to GusMcRae
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Conservative = small government/states rights
That’s the view of libertarians. The foundational definition of conservative is
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holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.
And your definition of conservative is quite contrary, since modern day conservatives love government when it’s convenient. See marijuana, big pharma, etc.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:01 am to Salmon
Those metrics are never used in evaluating periods of a society. Economic prosperity, innovation, social health, are all better indicators.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:01 am to 13SaintTiger
May 22, 1856. Senator Charles Sumner is beaten senseless on the floor of the Senate by a member of the House of Representatives
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:04 am to GoldenBoy
Its sports, people dont actually give a frick they are just rooting for their teams laundry.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:15 am to 13SaintTiger
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Conservative = small government/states rights
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That’s the view of libertarians. The foundational definition of conservative is
That's a fairly recent definition of conservatism. While conservatives usually hold on to traditional values and institutions, the term has always meant to conserve, or low taxes, low spending.
Eisenhower was a traditional conservative
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Eisenhower's main goals in office were to contain the expansion of the Soviet Union and reduce federal deficits
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On the domestic front, Eisenhower was a moderate conservative who continued New Deal agencies and expanded Social Security. He covertly opposed Joseph McCarthy and contributed to the end of McCarthyism by openly invoking executive privilege. Eisenhower signed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent Army troops to enforce federal court orders that integrated schools in Little Rock, Arkansas. His largest program was the Interstate Highway System. He promoted the establishment of strong science education via the National Defense Education Act. Eisenhower's two terms saw widespread economic prosperity except for a minor recession in 1958. In his farewell address to the nation, Eisenhower expressed his concerns about the dangers of massive military spending, particularly deficit spending and government contracts to private military manufacturers. He was voted Gallup's most admired man twelve times and also achieved widespread popular esteem both in and out of office.[5] Historical evaluations of his presidency place him among the upper tier of U.S. presidents.
This post was edited on 11/9/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:20 am to Salmon
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Fringe is relative. What is fringe today most likely won't be in 50 years.
Well, I'm not sure what that has to do with today.
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:22 am to skullhawk
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We had a civil war FWIW
Yeah. We also used to have Congressmen beat each other with canes and fricking DUEL.
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