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re: Titanic tourist submarine goes missing

Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:19 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:19 pm to
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If there was an implosion picked up and known by Monday morning then why in the hell have we spent 3 days getting people worked up in a “rescue” attempt??

The answer is two-fold. I doubt there is anyone who could (or would) say definitively or with any certainty that the anomaly picked up was the sub imploding. So, they weren't going to make that the final decision, especially with the reported knocking sounds.

The other reason is......money. The people involved are billionaires. Their families are billionaires. That financial clout, whether we like it or not, affords them certain leverages and pressures over governments and other entities. If this was Ricky from New Iberia with a homemade sub that cost a few grand they'd chalk it up to a dumbass just being a dumbass and move along.
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
26653 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

LINK

The last 2-3 pages have updates from the OP (BQ78)...


According to him:

quote:

Imploded at 3200 meters on the way down. Acoustic sources picked it up



So they were relatively close to the Titanic when they imploded?
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2550 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

The answer is two-fold. I doubt there is anyone who could (or would) say definitively or with any certainty that the anomaly picked up was the sub imploding. So, they weren't going to make that the final decision, especially with the reported knocking sounds.


Right - it would have been a PR nightmare if they would have stopped searching before the estimated hours of O2 had run out.

The ROV just happened to find the debris within 3-4 hours of being sent down? Just after the O2 ran out? They knew exactly where to look...
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2550 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:22 pm to
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So they were relatively close to the Titanic when they imploded?


Pretty much - other reporting has them descending way too fast and trying to remove ballast on the way down. All sorts of issues.
Posted by GeauxZone90
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2010
3628 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:23 pm to
To distract the masses like what it is doing now. Forget about the inflation, wars etc two billionaires are lost at sea with 4 days of air
Posted by Mizzoufan26
Vacaville CA
Member since Sep 2012
18965 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:27 pm to
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Remind me, what are the US estate taxes for the Pakistani and British billionaires? You see the concern with the USCG picking up the tab for international water and a private corporation that could be based anywhere?


Police will be at your door shortly for that raping of ole boy’s narrative
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
29523 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:28 pm to
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Texags OP confirms a distress signal was sent to mothership just before implosion.


It was also reported somewhere they were descending too fast. Could that be the distress signal, going to fast and trying to release ballast but not working?

And if they descended too fast doesn’t that put additional stresses on hull due to quicker pressure changes?
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
20943 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:30 pm to
I'm assuming carbon fiber is not going to be a preferred material on submarines from now on.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
53699 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:33 pm to
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And if they descended too fast doesn’t that put additional stresses on hull due to quicker pressure changes?


Probably not its just around a pound per 2.3 feet of depth. They probably couldnt descend fast enough to make a difference.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75038 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:35 pm to
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I'm assuming carbon fiber is not going to be a preferred material on submarines from now on.

Why? It works. Even with this sub it worked multiple times, possibly up to a dozen.

The failure came with not monitoring the sub after those dives. Any submersible working at those depths will be subject to deterioration that can lead to catastrophic failure....literally any of them. That's why scrutiny is needed after each dive. The accumulation takes its toll.
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
31605 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:42 pm to
Based on logic, the submersible made it intact to the bottom of the ocean floor. Hear me out.

Lost comm 1.5 hours into the dive. That puts it at a certain depth. The search area using the depth when comm was lost was estimated to be the size of Connecticut (what I heard).

If that submersible imploded when they lost comm, there is no way there would be a debris field near titanic. Debris would be spread out close to the size of Connecticut.

That submersible imploded on the ocean floor. That's why there's an debris field.
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted by LaLadyinTx
Cypress, TX
Member since Nov 2018
7310 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:43 pm to
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but to complain about taxpayers picking up the tab is puzzling


I always complain if I have to pay for stupid shite that people do.
Posted by mjthe
Virginia
Member since Oct 2020
6870 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:44 pm to
Hopefully we ran this by Zelenskyy first
Posted by swamp frog
south of I-10
Member since May 2023
157 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:45 pm to
I need to stop reading this thread. I’ve had My Heart Will Go On stuck in my head for a few days now.
Posted by Spano49er
Currently NJ (unfortunately)
Member since Sep 2008
58 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:48 pm to
debris field doesn't have to mean every single part of the sub, if this thing blew up 500ft from the bottom there would still be a ton of debris near the titanic. plus they also dont land directly on the titanic, if you watch the news reporter who rode in it, sometimes they go down there and get lost.
Posted by bikerack
NH
Member since Sep 2011
2550 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:48 pm to
OceanGate says in a new statement that they believe the passengers of the Titanic submersible have “sadly been lost."
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
49487 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

The other reason is......money. The people involved are billionaires. Their families are billionaires. That financial clout, whether we like it or not, affords them certain leverages and pressures over governments and other entities. If this was Ricky from New Iberia with a homemade sub that cost a few grand they'd chalk it up to a dumbass just being a dumbass and move along.


Reminds me of that quote from "The Edge" in 1997

quote:

Stephen : [Stephen, Charles and Robert walking up to peak of mountain looking for a place to start a signal fire]  Robert why do you think they'll even come looking for us?

Robert Green : Our friend is a billionaire, you know what happens when you misplace one?

Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22592 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

OceanGate says in a new statement that they believe the passengers of the Titanic submersible have “sadly been lost."


Glad they cleared that up for everybody
This post was edited on 6/22/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11906 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:53 pm to
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but to complain about taxpayers picking up the tab is puzzling


I always complain if I have to pay for stupid shite that people do.


What ever happened to the Coast Guard announcement several decades ago that told amateur sailors that a certain distance from shore they were on their own, that the Coast Guard would no longer come to their rescue?
Posted by cubsfan5150
NWA
Member since Nov 2007
18450 posts
Posted on 6/22/23 at 1:56 pm to
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The failure came with not monitoring the sub after those dives.


Mishap investigation is done. Legendinhismind has figured it out.
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