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re: Tipping point for me: These tests are fricked
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:Holy fricking inflation to make an argument! Come on man. You don't know 2,000 people. And you don't have 200 people in your family (that you know) either.
I said in the last month, not the last week. And in the last month more than 1 in 1,000 NYC residents died of covid. I know more than 1,000 people and I live in Podunk. A person in NYC easily knows 2,000.
We might only have 100-200 people we call "friends" or that we talk to semi-regularly, but we know a lot more than that and we would be upset if they died. Old classmates/teachers, coworkers, friends of the family. Hell, I have more than 100 people in my family. Maybe 200 if I think about it.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:27 pm to cubsfan5150
You have to open things back up and let people who are susceptible to continue to social distance and other tasks to remain somewhat quarantined.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:40 pm to RealityTiger
quote:I just looked through my facebook friends and I counted 89 family members (roughly 50 blood and the rest by marriage). I have easily that many more who are not on facebook or who I have not friended on facebook. The more I think the more likely it is that 200 is a low estimation of the number of people I call family. frick, every easter, thanksgiving, and christmas we gather ~40 people for dinner in my family, and that's just the ones who could make it on my dad's side. Then there is my mom's side, my stepdad's family, my wife's mom's, dad's, and stepdad's families. Haven't even gotten to friends and their families.
Holy fricking inflation to make an argument! Come on man. You don't know 2,000 people. And you don't have 200 people in your family (that you know) either.
There are easily 1,000 people in my life that I hug or shake hands with and talk to every time I see them. And like I said, I live in Podunk and I am far from a social butterfly.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:16 pm to Korkstand
quote:I just checked with my brother who lives in Manhattan and is the biggest social butterfly I know. He doesn't know anyone personally and neither does his wife though they 'know of' a few people. Purely anecdotal but I think you're vastly overestimating. I might kind of know 2000 people and would say hi in passing but I don't keep up with the vast majority of them and wouldn't have any way of knowing if a lot of them had died.
I just looked through my facebook friends and I counted 89 family members (roughly 50 blood and the rest by marriage). I have easily that many more who are not on facebook or who I have not friended on facebook. The more I think the more likely it is that 200 is a low estimation of the number of people I call family. frick, every easter, thanksgiving, and christmas we gather ~40 people for dinner in my family, and that's just the ones who could make it on my dad's side. Then there is my mom's side, my stepdad's family, my wife's mom's, dad's, and stepdad's families. Haven't even gotten to friends and their families.
There are easily 1,000 people in my life that I hug or shake hands with and talk to every time I see them. And like I said, I live in Podunk and I am far from a social butterfly.
There have been numerous times in my life where I've heard an old classmate or work acquaintance had died and I didn't find out about it until months or years after they passed. It's safe to assume that there are some I still don't know about. A large chunk of that hypothetical 2000 would probably play out like that for me. There might be a few hundred at best that I would actually be notified about.
But maybe I just don't have enough friends.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:20 pm to cubsfan5150
What was your point again ?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:25 pm to Havoc
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That’s actually exactly a basis for not “opening shite back up”.
I’ve really learned how stupid the people are
Please explain yourself....if that level of infection has already occured ..and the ONLY reason we are doing this is to not overwhelm healthcare..what is so stupid about opening back up?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:28 pm to Korkstand
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It is several times worse than the flu. The NYC numbers make this fact absolutely undeniable to any reasonable person.
Maybe if New Yorkers would take this threat seriously, they wouldn’t be in such bad shape. They haven’t even shut down their subway system.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:30 pm to northshorebamaman
quote:Is that not what I said?
I just checked with my brother who lives in Manhattan and is the biggest social butterfly I know. He doesn't know anyone personally and neither does his wife though they 'know of' a few people. Purely anecdotal but I think you're vastly overestimating. I might kind of know 2000 people and would say hi in passing but I don't keep up with the vast majority of them
quote:Don't have facebook?
There have been numerous times in my life where I've heard an old classmate or work acquaintance had died and I didn't find out about it until months or years after they passed. It's safe to assume that there are some I still don't know about. A large chunk of that hypothetical 2000 would probably play out like that for me. There might be a few hundred at best that I would actually be notified about.
But maybe I just don't have enough friends.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:33 pm to Korkstand
quote:Yeah. And it's limited to people I actually care to keep up with.
Don't have facebook?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:38 pm to mtntiger
quote:Well they correlate with cities, regions, and nations all over the globe in terms of excess mortality, from the UK to Indonesia.
The numbers from NYC DO NOT in any way, shape or form correlate to the rest of the country. NYC is a truly unique area.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:58 pm to RealityTiger
quote:Come on what?
Come on man.![]()
Tell you what, let's run some numbers. NYC pop: 8.4 million and roughly 10k deaths due to covid.
If you know 2000 people, there is a 90.8% chance that you know at least one person who died, and an 82.3% chance that you know at least 2.
If you know 1000 people, there is a 70.6% chance that you know at least one person who died, and a 49.8% chance that you know at least 2.
If you know 500 people, there is a 44.9% chance that you know at least one person who died, and a 20.1% chance that you know at least 2.
So the cutoff for 50% of New Yorkers to know at least 2 people who have died of covid so far is right at 1,000 "friends".
Is that more people than a typical New Yorker might reasonably know and hear of their death within a month's time? It's arguable, I guess.
And that was way more work than should have been necessary given how innocuous the statement was.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:03 pm to CaptSpaulding
quote:NYC shutting down the subway completely would be like the rest of the country banning cars. People still need to get around.
Maybe if New Yorkers would take this threat seriously, they wouldn’t be in such bad shape. They haven’t even shut down their subway system.
It's really hard to fault NYC for continuing to provide at least some transportation options.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:
NYC shutting down the subway completely would be like the rest of the country banning cars. People still need to get around.
It's really hard to fault NYC for continuing to provide at least some transportation options.
Can they not walk on the streets? Of course, I’m talking about essential workers only. I know everyone else in NYC is staying indoors at all times because this is so serious.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:19 pm to Sun God
quote:That's right, 1 in 840 people in NYC have died of covid in the last month. That is nearly twice as many people who have died of all other causes combined.
1/840
I fail to see the humor in something that is nearly tripling the rate that people are dying on the whole.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:32 pm to Korkstand
1 in 50,000 people from Texas has died due to covid-19.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:36 pm to lsu xman
quote:What is your point?
1 in 50,000 people from Texas has died due to covid-19.
Regardless, you clearly have no idea what mine is if you think the numbers in Texas are in any way relevant to it.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:38 pm to Korkstand
I'm just throwing numbers out there. It wasn't directed towards you. Just clicked the last post.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:10 pm to Korkstand
quote:
That is nearly twice as many people who have died of all other causes combined.
Is it?
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