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re: Tipping point for me: These tests are fricked

Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to
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I said in the last month, not the last week. And in the last month more than 1 in 1,000 NYC residents died of covid. I know more than 1,000 people and I live in Podunk. A person in NYC easily knows 2,000.

We might only have 100-200 people we call "friends" or that we talk to semi-regularly, but we know a lot more than that and we would be upset if they died. Old classmates/teachers, coworkers, friends of the family. Hell, I have more than 100 people in my family. Maybe 200 if I think about it.
Holy fricking inflation to make an argument! Come on man. You don't know 2,000 people. And you don't have 200 people in your family (that you know) either.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
141250 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:27 pm to
You have to open things back up and let people who are susceptible to continue to social distance and other tasks to remain somewhat quarantined.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:40 pm to
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Holy fricking inflation to make an argument! Come on man. You don't know 2,000 people. And you don't have 200 people in your family (that you know) either.
I just looked through my facebook friends and I counted 89 family members (roughly 50 blood and the rest by marriage). I have easily that many more who are not on facebook or who I have not friended on facebook. The more I think the more likely it is that 200 is a low estimation of the number of people I call family. frick, every easter, thanksgiving, and christmas we gather ~40 people for dinner in my family, and that's just the ones who could make it on my dad's side. Then there is my mom's side, my stepdad's family, my wife's mom's, dad's, and stepdad's families. Haven't even gotten to friends and their families.

There are easily 1,000 people in my life that I hug or shake hands with and talk to every time I see them. And like I said, I live in Podunk and I am far from a social butterfly.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38578 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:16 pm to
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I just looked through my facebook friends and I counted 89 family members (roughly 50 blood and the rest by marriage). I have easily that many more who are not on facebook or who I have not friended on facebook. The more I think the more likely it is that 200 is a low estimation of the number of people I call family. frick, every easter, thanksgiving, and christmas we gather ~40 people for dinner in my family, and that's just the ones who could make it on my dad's side. Then there is my mom's side, my stepdad's family, my wife's mom's, dad's, and stepdad's families. Haven't even gotten to friends and their families.

There are easily 1,000 people in my life that I hug or shake hands with and talk to every time I see them. And like I said, I live in Podunk and I am far from a social butterfly.
I just checked with my brother who lives in Manhattan and is the biggest social butterfly I know. He doesn't know anyone personally and neither does his wife though they 'know of' a few people. Purely anecdotal but I think you're vastly overestimating. I might kind of know 2000 people and would say hi in passing but I don't keep up with the vast majority of them and wouldn't have any way of knowing if a lot of them had died.

There have been numerous times in my life where I've heard an old classmate or work acquaintance had died and I didn't find out about it until months or years after they passed. It's safe to assume that there are some I still don't know about. A large chunk of that hypothetical 2000 would probably play out like that for me. There might be a few hundred at best that I would actually be notified about.

But maybe I just don't have enough friends.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49872 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:20 pm to
What was your point again ?
Posted by RealityTiger
Geismar, LA
Member since Jan 2010
20543 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:21 pm to
Come on man.
Posted by Tigahs24Seven
Charlie Kirk's America
Member since Nov 2007
15188 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:25 pm to
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That’s actually exactly a basis for not “opening shite back up”.

I’ve really learned how stupid the people are


Please explain yourself....if that level of infection has already occured ..and the ONLY reason we are doing this is to not overwhelm healthcare..what is so stupid about opening back up?
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6980 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:28 pm to
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It is several times worse than the flu. The NYC numbers make this fact absolutely undeniable to any reasonable person.


Maybe if New Yorkers would take this threat seriously, they wouldn’t be in such bad shape. They haven’t even shut down their subway system.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:30 pm to
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I just checked with my brother who lives in Manhattan and is the biggest social butterfly I know. He doesn't know anyone personally and neither does his wife though they 'know of' a few people. Purely anecdotal but I think you're vastly overestimating. I might kind of know 2000 people and would say hi in passing but I don't keep up with the vast majority of them
Is that not what I said?
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There have been numerous times in my life where I've heard an old classmate or work acquaintance had died and I didn't find out about it until months or years after they passed. It's safe to assume that there are some I still don't know about. A large chunk of that hypothetical 2000 would probably play out like that for me. There might be a few hundred at best that I would actually be notified about.

But maybe I just don't have enough friends.
Don't have facebook?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38578 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:33 pm to
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Don't have facebook?
Yeah. And it's limited to people I actually care to keep up with.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35406 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:38 pm to
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The numbers from NYC DO NOT in any way, shape or form correlate to the rest of the country. NYC is a truly unique area.
Well they correlate with cities, regions, and nations all over the globe in terms of excess mortality, from the UK to Indonesia.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 3:38 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 3:58 pm to
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Come on man.
Come on what?

Tell you what, let's run some numbers. NYC pop: 8.4 million and roughly 10k deaths due to covid.

If you know 2000 people, there is a 90.8% chance that you know at least one person who died, and an 82.3% chance that you know at least 2.

If you know 1000 people, there is a 70.6% chance that you know at least one person who died, and a 49.8% chance that you know at least 2.

If you know 500 people, there is a 44.9% chance that you know at least one person who died, and a 20.1% chance that you know at least 2.


So the cutoff for 50% of New Yorkers to know at least 2 people who have died of covid so far is right at 1,000 "friends".

Is that more people than a typical New Yorker might reasonably know and hear of their death within a month's time? It's arguable, I guess.

And that was way more work than should have been necessary given how innocuous the statement was.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:03 pm to
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Maybe if New Yorkers would take this threat seriously, they wouldn’t be in such bad shape. They haven’t even shut down their subway system.
NYC shutting down the subway completely would be like the rest of the country banning cars. People still need to get around.

It's really hard to fault NYC for continuing to provide at least some transportation options.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6980 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:46 pm to
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NYC shutting down the subway completely would be like the rest of the country banning cars. People still need to get around.

It's really hard to fault NYC for continuing to provide at least some transportation options.


Can they not walk on the streets? Of course, I’m talking about essential workers only. I know everyone else in NYC is staying indoors at all times because this is so serious.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52912 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 4:50 pm to
1/840
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:19 pm to
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1/840
That's right, 1 in 840 people in NYC have died of covid in the last month. That is nearly twice as many people who have died of all other causes combined.

I fail to see the humor in something that is nearly tripling the rate that people are dying on the whole.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
17020 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:32 pm to
1 in 50,000 people from Texas has died due to covid-19.

Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29134 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:36 pm to
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1 in 50,000 people from Texas has died due to covid-19.
What is your point?

Regardless, you clearly have no idea what mine is if you think the numbers in Texas are in any way relevant to it.
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
17020 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:38 pm to
I'm just throwing numbers out there. It wasn't directed towards you. Just clicked the last post.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52912 posts
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:10 pm to
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That is nearly twice as many people who have died of all other causes combined.

Is it?
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