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re: Timeline: Stunning details in Penn State fraternity pledge death (Update: charges dropped)

Posted on 5/11/17 at 3:40 pm to
Posted by GeauxTigers0107
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 3:40 pm to
Bookmarking for later. Sad freaking story.
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 4:35 pm to
Colleges and Universities can pass by-laws requiring all those in Greek organizations living in a Greek home be certified in CPR so they can recognize when someone needs emergency help.
Posted by Crusty Juggler
Member since Jun 2013
351 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 4:42 pm to
Just read through it. One classy gent saw him fall off the couch at 7:00 in the morning and then proceeded to Snapchat him to the general public. Real hero there.
This post was edited on 5/11/17 at 4:44 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 4:50 pm to
That was one of his pledge brothers.
Posted by Babboo
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:07 pm to
Have they released the surveillance videos to the public?
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:14 pm to
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a lot more did happen here, yes. But they knew the dude was hammered and had fallen down but there was no way to know he fractured his skull and his spleen exploded. For all they knew he was just drunk as piss and fell down. Obviously we as adults can sit here and say someone should have called 911, but anyone expecting a bunch of drunk college aged bros to call 911 in that situation is not dealing in reality, IMO.


They knew enough to text each other about the seriousness of it.. and to search the symptoms on his cell phone.. and to bring it up (but eventually back down when pressed).. and to be concerned about the bruising...

Yeah.. I think you're the one in need of a dose of reality
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:19 pm to
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So you wouldn't hire some of the most qualified people in the job pool? Fraternity members by and large have a higher GPA and engage in more extracurricular activities than the student body at large. Enjoy floundering as a business owner.


Do any of these mean anything in the real world? I've never been asked what my GPA was in college.. or asked about any extracurricular activities that I participated in

I'm just saying it's kind of ridiculous for it to be considered either way
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 5:25 pm to
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I would never hire anyone who was in a frat because it would show they are Ok with poor choices and


Shouldn't you be working your shift at TGI Friday right now?
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 7:07 pm to
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I am going to make sure he reads this. Hopefully, the small silver lining in this is that ALL other fraternities on ALL campuses use this awful incident as an example so that this can never happen again.

I have done the same with my kids. Pretty good kids I have, but I am sure the parents of all of these fraternity bothers probably thought their kids were pretty good, too and never would do (or not do ) the things that transpired that weekend.
Posted by Kcrad
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 8:15 pm to
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From my own experience, I can tell you that my fraternity never once came even close to forcing us to do that homo-erotic shite that people read about (elephant walks, forced nudity, sodomy, etc). And my fraternity was known for having one of the toughest pledgeships on campus.


quote:

man, they really brainwashed you.




Then let a goat sodomize him.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 5/11/17 at 8:21 pm to
He was really good kid they were playing around the world when u get shot from every big brother. He had alcohol poisoning and fell down stairs they did nothing he died
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 8:47 pm to
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A bunch of unmitigated pieces of shite.

The point in which your opportunity for "networking" outweighs saving a dying pledge makes you absolute scum.


Exactly! And that is criminal. A young man died because people around him were more worried about their best interest than his life. This is something all HS & college kids should be aware of.. Know the people you surround yourself with.
Posted by MSH
America
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:33 pm to
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I've never met anyone who was in a frat who isn't a complete loser douche


What fraternity were you in?
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:24 pm to
Update

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A lawyer for the family of the Penn State University student who died during a pledge event this year blasted fraternity members outside the courtroom Tuesday — the third day of a raucous preliminary hearing.

With the mother of Timothy Piazza visibly crying during a recess, family lawyer Tom Kline disputed defense attorneys who have been arguing that no one forced the 19-year-old student to engage in binge drinking before he tumbled down basement steps and suffered multiple traumatic brain injuries.

"There is no changing the ultimate facts that a collective group plotted this, executed this and tried to cover it up," Kline said.

In a statement, Piazza's father said the hearings have "tried our patience" and that "Tim's death was no accident."

"It's very sad that their own desire for self-preservation, as evidenced by their own text messages ... prevented Tim from getting the help he needed," Jim Piazza wrote.

The emotional hearing, which has put a spotlight on alcohol abuse and hazing in the Greek system, centers on the now-shuttered fraternity, Beta Theta Pi, and 18 of its members, two of whom waived the hearing. Some are accused of involuntary manslaughter and aggravated assault, while others face less serious allegations.

District Judge Allen Sinclair must decide whether prosecutors have put forward enough evidence to send the charges to county court for a trial.

Kline told reporters after the session that the conflict was "remarkably difficult" for the Piazza family to sit through.

"Hearing those things was disturbing. They were among the best of the best of parents," Kline said. But he said the family intended to attend every day for as long as it takes.

Defense attorneys on Tuesday took turns cross-examining State College police Detective Dave Scicchitano about his investigation into the pledge ceremony and the subsequent party that preceded Piazza's death on Feb. 4. Prosecutors say it took the brothers 12 hours before they alerted 911 to Piazza's deteriorating condition.

Several times, loud arguments erupted between prosecutors and defense attorneys in the courtroom.

Defense attorney Andrew Shuban stood up, pointed at Centre County District Attorney Stacy Parks Miller and told her: "Stop lying and tell the truth!"

At one point, Sinclair was frustrated by the lack of order and threatened to throw out both the defense and the prosecution. He also intervened and called a recess to regain control.

Defense attorneys have been trying to cast doubt on the fundamental aspect of the case: that Piazza got extremely intoxicated as a result of forced drinking during a pledge event.

Defense attorneys grilled Scicchitano about exactly how much alcohol Piazza consumed during the ritual and a drinking obstacle course known as The Gauntlet. The detective wasn't able to definitively say how much Piazza drank during the activities.

Scicchitano testified that in the nine days of rush leading up to the pledge acceptance party, members of the fraternity bought around $2,000 worth of alcohol. At one point, members allegedly bragged that they had 240 Four Loko malt liquor drinks.

Scicchitano said joining in the drinking was a "rite of passage and the way to get in" to the fraternity.

The detective also told the judge that the fraternity brothers used group chat to discuss buying the alcohol and had a function to delete incriminating messages from their phones.

While there were surveillance cameras inside the fraternity house, those didn't capture the moment Piazza first fell down the basement steps at about 11 p.m. or when he was found at the bottom of them again the following morning. The cameras did show him staggering around the house and the Beta brothers failing to come to his aide, police said.

Piazza later died at a hospital. Authorities have said he suffered severe head and abdominal injuries and had consumed a dangerous amount of alcohol.

Jim Piazza said in his statement that he would encourage any of the defendants' parents who believe their sons were improperly charged to "come forward with everything they have that is helpful."

"If they do, I will be extremely supportive. However, it must be now, not later," he added.

Prosecutors said this preliminary hearing was likely to stretch another day or two and continue in August, given the number of defendants.

Penn State's Beta Theta Pi chapter was disbanded after Piazza died. The school's trustees agreed in June to seize disciplinary control over Greek fraternities and sororities, as well as to implement more stringent rules about alcohol use.



Just saw something about this case on Fox in passing. Missed the segment when they talked about it though.

They started the preliminary hearings this week.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted by Macfly
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Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 7:44 pm to
Selfish cretins.
Worried about saving themselves as opposed to others.
Morally guilty.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:10 pm to
It's just a shitty...shitty situation that could've been so easily avoided.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 8:19 pm
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:23 pm to
They should send those assholes to a federal pound me in the arse prison.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
58875 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 8:26 pm to
Lol like you will ever be in a position to hire someone
Posted by 257WBY
Member since Feb 2014
7231 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:27 pm to
The 21 drinking age has a bit to do with this. They didn't help their bro because they were trying to avoid trouble since they served under aged guys.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 7/12/17 at 9:49 pm to
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The 21 drinking age has a bit to do with this. They didn't help their bro because they were trying to avoid trouble since they served under aged guys.


What if you don't drink, are you banned from Greek life?
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