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Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:26 pm to cas4t
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it's not even the first time they've given this to a group
folks like rocket just love play the contrarian.
If it were just Moore or Franken, I could see it being mostly about politics. But it ain't. Big names on both sides of the aisle caught up in the melee.
I'm NOT saying I think every #metoo hashtag is legit or every one of the accusations is with merit. I also think it's pretty fricked up for a girl (or guy) to come back years after the fact and re-cast what both parties regarded at the time as benign conduct as something malicious. Like NoHo said, little of both going on.
Which is why it's silly to get worked up over it either way. Just let the allegations come out, don't rush to judgment until the facts are all out, and go from there. Not that difficult but people make this shite into more than it is.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:27 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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don't rush to judgment until the facts are all out,
That doesn't sound like fun at all.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:28 pm to NoHoTiger
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We as a society have gotten so caught up, that we've allowed the allegations alone to be enough to destroy someone.
I agree and each time one of these comes up, this my exact line of thinking. Most of them have turned out to be pretty heinous, at least the ones involving celebrities.
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When the #metoo is someone grabbed their arse this one time on the dance floor at the club.
there's no way to know whether or not this is the intent. But let's be clear, you shouldn't grab someones arse in the club.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:30 pm to NoHoTiger
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We as a society have gotten so caught up, that we've allowed the allegations alone to be enough to destroy someone. That's not due process. But, to even question some of these women, is misogyny.
Winner. Even to say "I'm withholding my opinion until further evidence surfaces," is seen as either victim blaming or outright endorsement of criminal intent.
People are too quick to want to act like they know everything about every case. Most of us will NEVER know every sordid detail of these ill-fated interactions. Not do I want to, tbh. I know enough now to know better and in the meantime I'm not going to give either party in these types of cases carte blanche over my emotions/reasoning.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Which is why it's silly to get worked up over it either way. Just let the allegations come out, don't rush to judgment until the facts are all out, and go from there. Not that difficult but people make this shite into more than it is.
Also, it's not like anyone without celebrity that is tweeting #metoo is truly going to have their "case" looked into. And while Time made it same like it's for everyone, we all know this is geared around the celebrities that have come forward. And those cases that I've heard, were all pretty fricky situations.
Rocket on the other hand is acting as though it's completely normal to invite someone to your hotel room, whip your pecker out, and start beating off in front of them. I mean, what did they expect?
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:32 pm to rocket31
So I guess all women who are sexually assaulted should be silent??
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:33 pm to cas4t
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let's be clear, you shouldn't grab someones arse in the club.
See I wouldn't say that. Some girl spends all evening grinding/shaking her arse at a dude, it's pretty disingenuous to turn around and holler #METOO! if the guy finally cops a feel without getting her signed consent in triplicate
Context matters. Some stuff is obviously over the line regardless, but some of these #metoo allegations have been as benign as they are heinous.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:33 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Even to say "I'm withholding my opinion until further evidence surfaces," is seen as either victim blaming or outright endorsement of criminal intent.
right
i said this is "hilarious" and you just a few minutes ago twisted that around to think i thought sexual abuse was funny
youre part of the problem, and not even aware of it.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:34 pm to cas4t
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But let's be clear, you shouldn't grab someones arse in the club
bullshite...You think I'm wearing tight pants and short skirts because they are comfortable? Hell no, it's for the attention, yo.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:35 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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See I wouldn't say that. Some girl spends all evening grinding/shaking her arse at a dude, it's pretty disingenuous to turn around and holler #METOO! if the guy finally cops a feel without getting her signed consent in triplicate
well, yea. The entire point in #metoo is that you didn't give said person consent or even the idea that you wanted that.
Where are you guys reading about these scenarios anyways? This seems to be going just as far in the other direction.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:36 pm to NoHoTiger
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We as a society have gotten so caught up, that we've allowed the allegations alone to be enough to destroy someone. That's not due process. But, to even question some of these women, is misogyny. It reeks of hypocrisy. Ashley Judd comes to mind. She just rails about how much she hates Trump and what he did to women, but kept her mouth shut when it suited her career. And this is exactly why people are sketpical.
I really like you NoHope.
FWIW...i’d Sexually harass you in a club if you wanted me to.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:37 pm to rocket31
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i said this is "hilarious" and you just a few minutes ago twisted that around to think i thought sexual abuse was funny
Your wording was weird and would lead one to infer such. If that's not the case, then I misread, and I apologize. I don't twist words on people for the hell of it.
I was explaining why I didn't think the subject matter particularly humorous.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:37 pm to NoHoTiger
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bullshite...You think I'm wearing tight pants and short skirts because they are comfortable? Hell no, it's for the attention, yo.
well, sup
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:37 pm to Beefherinthequeefer
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So I guess all women who are sexually assaulted should be silent??
No. People are saying don't wait 15 years to come forward. Don't wait for someone to be running for office 30 or 40 years down the road. Don't stop at one person who tells you to be quiet. Scream it from the rooftops if you need to. Tell your friend, you parents, your doctor, your priest, your therapist.
But don't stay silent.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:38 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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If that's not the case, then I misread, and I apologize
thx, appreciate it
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:39 pm to fr33manator
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.i’d Sexually harass you in a club if you wanted me to.
You say the sweetest things to me.
And, right back atcha. Congrats on the deer.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:39 pm to cas4t
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The entire point in #metoo is that you didn't give said person consent or even the idea that you wanted that.
And my counterpoint is that there needs to be culpability on both parties in a lot of these situations. Just being reasonable is all.
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This seems to be going just as far in the other direction.
It is. That's what I've been trying to say. It covers too broad a spectrum of interaction IMO.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:39 pm to rocket31
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i said this is "hilarious" and you just a few minutes ago twisted that around to think i thought sexual abuse was funny
you made a comment about what do they expect when going to a hotel room.
you referred to all of this as funny numerous times.
if anything you've said was taken in the wrong context, it's your own fault. You're speaking in these fricking weird bro riddles this entire thread. If you want folks to understand what you're saying, just say it. Repeatedly saying "it's just funny" or "just lol" is pretty vague.
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:40 pm to cas4t
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well, sup
RAAAAAAAPE!!!!!
Joking, I'm joking, mi gente
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