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re: Threatening to shoot up a school: OT's Thoughts?
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:55 am to FitzBlitz52
Posted on 5/4/18 at 11:55 am to FitzBlitz52
If you make a threat like that you should be removed. Period. Doesn’t matter if you were joking.
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 12:17 pm to FitzBlitz52
Reason 1,134,356 my kids will not go to public school
Posted on 5/4/18 at 12:49 pm to TH03
quote:Carrying it out is most definitely illegal. I don't recall saying it wasn't.
And you're seeing a kid with a whole plan and letting him carry it out because you think it's somehow a protected right
If the administration becomes aware of the problem, they could recommend the student see a psychologist. Arresting him? Nope. You're just gonna make him more hateful and spiteful of everyone if he really does want to carry out the plans.
Say you choose to arrest the kid and send him to an alternative school right down the road. Do you think that magically removes his hatred for the original school, faculty, and students, or does it actually increase it? And what happens when he does get out of jail? He can still carry out any previous plans he had before going in.
Those solutions solve around zero of the problems for kids that would've actually done the deed. It is a mental health problem, which should be solved by a mental health professional, not jail
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:05 pm to Rebel
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The real reason it won’t happen is only because one parent would have to stay home to assist in raising their kid. Many people just aren’t going to be willing to do that.
Were you home schooled? I know it works for some kids but my kids actually enjoy going to school.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:11 pm to FitzBlitz52
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Threatening to shoot up a school: OT's Thoughts?
I for one, am against it.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:14 pm to FitzBlitz52
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My thoughts on both of these instances, and this should be a federal law and not just state, these kids should automatically be kicked out of school and should receive court mandated GED at a secure location like JDC or something like that.
Thoughts?
THis is overkill (pun intended).
KIds say stupid shite. Kids make inappropriate jokes.
I think I threatened to "Go Postal" at more than a few of my jobs when things were especially annoying.
Throwing a kid in jail or out of school should never be the first option.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:29 pm to FitzBlitz52
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I teach at a rural Texas public school
Sweet.
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we have had several students jokingly and seriously threaten to up our school.
Kids being kids.
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he claims his statements about shooting the school was a joke. He has his house searched for guns
WTF!
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all guns found had the SN recored by police and were mandated to be put in a gun safe to which this student had no access to or knew the combination
What about the parents? Now they dont have a readily accessible firearm to defend their home and family. Should sue PD if break-in occurs and family member is hurt or killed since they took away their right to defend themselves.
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this is done to every student who makes these kinds of threats
Holy shite. frick Texas. What happened to
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He was also sent to JDC for 3 days, then an alternative education facility for 15 days, and then returned back to our campus.
I can live with that.
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Always referring to himself as a one of the infamous people as of late to do a big public shooting.
This one might have an issue.
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My thoughts on both of these instances, and this should be a federal law and not just state, these kids should automatically be kicked out of school and should receive court mandated GED at a secure location like JDC or something like that.
For a joke(at least in your first example)?
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:39 pm to TH03
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So a guy should be able to get on the intercom at school, say "I'm bringing in 3 guns tomorrow and I'm going to shoot as many people possible" and not be arrested until the next day after he's killed 20 people? All because "muh first amendment?"
I'll give you a hint though, that's already illegal and not protected by the first amendment.
I would guess that the threat would have to be specific in its intent and enough to excite a reasonable fear and that a reasonable person believes the individual making the threat has both the motive, opportunity and ability to carry out the threat.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 2:43 pm to Hammertime
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You absolutely are not, and your statements don't support it. I can say whatever I want. Doesn't mean I'm going to do anything....first amendment and all.
You have a very limited understanding of the first amendment, to put it kindly.
Since the Florida shootings, we've had similar situations as OP at my school. The issue is determining who is serious. If the person who has to make that decision decides that the kid was joking and lets him off just once, then he follows through on the threat, you have a literal and legal tragedy on your hands. I'm for erring on the side of caution.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:27 pm to High C
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Since the Florida shootings, we've had similar situations as OP at my school. The issue is determining who is serious. If the person who has to make that decision decides that the kid was joking and lets him off just once, then he follows through on the threat, you have a literal and legal tragedy on your hands. I'm for erring on the side of caution.
This is the slippery slope to fascism.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
The world is dangerous. Freedom is dangerous. Man-up, stop acting like a pussy and deal with it.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:50 pm to nola000
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The world is dangerous. Freedom is dangerous. Man-up, stop acting like a pussy and deal with it.
"Deal with" kids making threats of mass murder with no repercussions? I guess it's worked for the FBI.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:12 pm to FitzBlitz52
I'm never for pigeon-holing punishment cause too many different factors come into play and few situations are the same.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:24 pm to High C
Things will happen from time to time. You can't stop everything. What you're talking about is arresting kids because they say things that someone finds scary. Again, they didn't actually commit any crimes other than saying words
Would you be able to decide that ragheads couldn't practice Islam in the US because of 9/11? That wouldn't go over well at all.
Making decisions based on emotions instead of logic is never a good thing. That's what women do
quote:I take it literally. The wording is right there. Only difference is that Congress hasn't officially made it illegal, everyone else in the US has.
You have a very limited understanding of the first amendment, to put it kindly
Would you be able to decide that ragheads couldn't practice Islam in the US because of 9/11? That wouldn't go over well at all.
Making decisions based on emotions instead of logic is never a good thing. That's what women do
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:29 pm to Hammertime
quote:You're way off AND wrong here. If you don't believe me go yell, "gun" in a crowded theater and see what happens.
What you're talking about is arresting kids because they say things that someone finds scary. Again, they didn't actually commit any crimes other than saying words
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:32 pm to FitzBlitz52
quote:We already have a federal law.
this should be a federal law
Congress shall make no law ..... abridging the freedom of speech,
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:47 pm to Geauxtiga
Posted on 5/4/18 at 5:40 pm to High C
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"Deal with" kids making threats of mass murder with no repercussions?
Sticks and stones, brother. Sticks and stones.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 7:57 pm to FitzBlitz52
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I forgot to mention my student climbed up or band director tower near our football field and took pictures and claimed he was "Scooping out his snipping position".
And there was no one allowed to tell him to bend over and grab his ankles = one and done.
Our vice-principal didn't call the cops for any reason. He bent you over his desk, let that piece of oak kiss you across the arse three times and your attitude was properly adjusted. If you had a short memory (or were just plain shtoopid), he'd tune you up again in a couple of weeks.
Course, this was back before time outs, participation trophies, safe spaces, school resource officers (trying to make time with cheerleaders), #MeToo and all the other snowflake sh## that pollutes our society these days.
Heck, we had guns in the back windows of our trucks... and not one single instance of a school shooting, or even anybody ever pulling a gun on anybody. It just didn't cross your mind back then.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:08 pm to Jag_Warrior
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just didn't cross your mind back then.
I lived in those times, too. Things are different now. To deny that is just short sighted rah rah shite. I don't know what reality you guys are in, but it's not today's.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 8:13 pm to FitzBlitz52
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these kids should automatically be kicked out of school
I don't disagree with this, but it could also give a student more of an incentive to return to school and shoot it up.
Kids who do this needs to be sent to some type of mental health institution.
They shouldn't be allowed to have a gun in their house. I know someone will say that would be violating everyone in their home 2nd amendment rights, but frick it. We are talking about someone who is threatening to shoot up a school. For those who think that their 2nd amendment right should come before them being a threat to shoot up a school, would you feel the same way if your child attended that school?
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