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re: Thoughts on people who wear Che Guevara shirts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:10 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:10 am to Darth_Vader
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You poor fool. What you fail to realize is that just because some tweed coat wearing ex-60's hippy stands behind a podium in a college classroom does not change the fact they are giving you nothing more than revised version of history to fit their leftist political worldview. The only way you will ever gain a true understanding of history is to do your own independent research instead of relying one flawed source. Read from sources both right & left, always look for original first hand accounts and ways to verify and cross-check everything. And above all else, have enough common sense to realize that 99% of all history is written with a political slant to it. To be a true student of history you've got to be able to see through these slants, both right & left, and dig your way down to the truth.
I have read books on Che' independently and they are widely varying in which side is taken.
You can't deny that his popularity/notoriety derives from his actions as being a "freedom-fighter". You could substitute other words in there but his political actions are what made him famous...right?
He tried to organize rebellion against governmental institutions that in several cases were known for their brutality. Do you dispute that fact?
Thus, in the eyes of those he tried to liberate from the tyrannical systems, he is a hero.
What could be a more basic description than that? That is why some people wear t-shirts with his picture on them.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 11:16 am
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:12 am to REG861
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One of them, as a I recall, removed the Rolex that Che the anti-capitalist wore and still has it to this day.
Félix Rodríguez
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:12 am to Carson123987
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Phil A Sheo
Chill homie, I was agreeing with you.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:13 am to SaintCajun
I'd wear a Che Guevara shirt with this picture of the excrement.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:15 am to RhodeIslandRed
I don't know all the rules of this form but I have a feeling posting pictures of dead bodies breaks one of them
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:15 am to SaintCajun
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SaintCajun
I see you've done your homework
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:16 am to MrCoolBeans
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Chill homie, I was agreeing with you.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:19 am to Phil A Sheo
Right on man
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:21 am to REG861
wyd reg
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:22 am to Carson123987
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salamander is an elaborate troll and yall have all taken his bait
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
I have merely tried to present a mainstream vanilla bean answer to the question to counter the riduculous, one-sided nonsensical answers I've seen on here.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:23 am to Carson123987
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Carson123987
i dont speak jive
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:24 am to SaintCajun
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I do believe however that you can look at individuals throughout history and note the very good and very bad things they did. You can take their good views and help formulate your own ideology, while leaving their very bad. You don't necessarily have to be tied to one sides set of ideas.
Agreed, it's best to look at the entire picture. I concede that Che may have thought in his own mind that his intentions were good, but so did Hitler and numerous other brutal dictators. In my previous post I admitted that many Cubans detested Batista, I don't think they would've minded him being removed. But for that to happen in the fashion it did, people stripped of their livelihood, stripped of all their belongings in the name of revolution, and murdered by the thousands for questioning it, I don't think anyone should agree that that was the way it should've been done. And to see where it has brought them (Cubans) today, it is overwhelmingly obvious that it was the wrong decision.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:24 am to Flame Salamander
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Thus, in the eyes of those he tried to liberate from the tyrannical systems, he is a hero.
Well shite, everyone is someones hero, and another's villain.
Most who wear the Che shirt have absolutely no ties to the guy or commonality with those he was "fighting for" except a failed ideology.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:25 am to SaintCajun
He was a hired killer who got what he desrved
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:26 am to REG861
what you doin
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:26 am to REG861
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REG861
Thanks. Now let's say some rebels in a third world country, who are being ruled by some tyrant, view that shirt strictly as sign of rebellion. What's your opinion on those people?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:28 am to BottomlandBrew
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BottomlandBrew
Great read. Thx for posting.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:30 am to Flame Salamander
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I have read books on Che' independently and they are widely varying in which side is taken.
You can't deny that his popularity/notoriety derives from his actions as being a "freedom-fighter". You could substitute other words in there but his political actions are what made him famous...right?
He tried to organize rebellion against governmental institutions that in several cases were known for their brutality. Do you dispute that fact?
Thus, in the eyes of those he tried to liberate from the tyrannical systems, he is a hero.
What could be a more basic description than that? That is why some people wear t-shirts with his picture on them.
Answer one question.....
1. Would you consider Heinrich Himmler a "freedom fighter" as well?
I ask this because the only difference between the two men is one toiled under the banner of National Socialism while the other did the same under the Communist banner. So, what say you? Was Himmler a "freedom fighter"?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:32 am to SaintCajun
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who are being ruled by some tyrant, view that shirt strictly as sign of rebellion. What's your opinion on those people?
Not REG, but to answer, I can understand where they are coming from wanting to stand up against tyranny and what not, but they could pick a lot better symbols. However, I would assume those people would bash anyone who wears a confederate flag/ has one as a sign of rebellion.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 11:32 am to SaintCajun
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Now let's say some rebels in a third world country, who are being ruled by some tyrant, view that shirt strictly as sign of rebellion. What's your opinion on those people?
I don't doubt that our hegemony in the West created an ideological rift between us and developing nations and their people. To them, Che represents things like self-determination. They view him as a symbol, or a sign like you said, of rebellion. As our country used many thuggish tactics in modern times throughout the Central and South america, i can't fault this mindset.
I just wish they had a better symbol to rely on.
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