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re: Thoughts on people who wear Che Guevara shirts
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:58 am to Mung
Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:58 am to Mung
My mother was roommates with Humberto Fontova's sister-in-law at LSU. My parents heard first hand the horrors of Che and Castro from Ella, her husband Ricky, and Ricky's brother Humberto. Ella's family was in the banking business in Cuba and was first on the chopping block when the revolution started. Che was not misunderstood. He was a ruthless murderer who was all about spreading the Marxist way, no matter what it took. While I understand extreme conservatism and fascism also has its notorious murderers (ala Hitler, Pinochet, Mussolini, the list goes on), the works of Guevara and Castro have reserved them a nice toasty spot in the confines of hell along with those other radicals.
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Posted on 1/23/14 at 9:58 am to SaintCajun
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Humberto Fontova is a Cuban-American, they are born to hate Che
Very silly thing to say. He was born in Cuba and fled to escape the Castro regime. Not to mention his family had to leave without their father as he was thrown in prison upon boarding the plane. Luckily he was set free shortly after and was able to meet them in the U.S.
That story pales in comparison to many other Cuban families that felt the wrath of the Castro regime. They aren't born to hate Che, their experiences force them to hate Che, and rightfully so.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:01 am to Darth_Vader
You contend that you are a history buff yet you've never heard about Pinochet, Trujillo, Battista or others?
No, you are a 12 year old boy. You're out of your element, junior! Grow up and take a history class or two in college then come back to me.
No, you are a 12 year old boy. You're out of your element, junior! Grow up and take a history class or two in college then come back to me.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:07 am to SaintCajun
I bet they have no idea who he is.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:07 am to Flame Salamander
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You contend that you are a history buff yet you've never heard about Pinochet, Trujillo, Battista or others?
What? Who said I've never head of these? Now you're just making shite up.
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No, you are a 12 year old boy. You're out of your element, junior! Grow up and take a history class or two in college then come back to me.
"Take a history class or two"?
Son, I could teach a history class. I've studied history longer than you've been alive,
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:08 am to Flame Salamander
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As I said earlier, Guevara was on the losing side and history usually isn't kind when this happens. When he died, many, many people looked to him as a hero. Later, attacks on his personality began to pop up.
Where are you getting this idea that he was on the losing side? His side won, at least in Cuba. He is only revered as he is because he was killed. If he was still alive today he would be viewed with the likes of Castro.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:09 am to SaintCajun
I think fully half of the people who wear them think it is a picture of Zack de la Rocha
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:10 am to Green Chili Tiger
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I think fully half of the people who wear them think it is a picture of Zack de la Rocha
This may be the most accurate thing posted in this thread.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:11 am to rintintin
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Where are you getting this idea that he was on the losing side? His side won, at least in Cuba. He is only revered as he is because he was killed. If he was still alive today he would be viewed with the likes of Castro.
In South America he lost...and in Cuba he had a falling out with Castro.
He is still greatly revered in South America.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 10:12 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:19 am to GoCrazyAuburn
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quote:I think fully half of the people who wear them think it is a picture of Zack de la Rocha
This may be the most accurate thing posted in this thread.
You may be right. But, I first remember seeing them back in the early '70's. They may have been around earlier still. Those who wore them back then knew who he was and what he was.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:22 am to rintintin
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He is only revered as he is because he was killed.
Getting killed while fighting for something you believe in usually has that effect
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If he was still alive today he would be viewed with the likes of Castro.
That's tough to say. Castro essentially became what Che was fighting. Who is to say he would not have tried to organize a revolution against Castro
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:23 am to Flame Salamander
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In South America he lost
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He is still greatly revered in South America.
Hmmmm...you think maybe these two things coincide?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:29 am to Darth_Vader
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Son, I could teach a history class
You could do shite. You would never be allowed to teach college history at a public US institution.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:33 am to Flame Salamander
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You would never be allowed to teach college history at a public US institution.
Well, if they are requiring that you teach Che is a freedom fighting, hero, then you are probably right.
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:35 am to Flame Salamander
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Flame Salamander
You have not provided a single source to back up your claims, whereas Darth has. The only thing you've said that has any validity is that Che is still revered in South America, and that's because I'm validating it for you seeing how that is home to my family.
ETA: I'm not saying his view point is 100% correct, but I am saying he has sources to back up his claim. There's still at least two more books I want to read before I form my own opinion of the man
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 10:38 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:37 am to Flame Salamander
I love when people come on here, bash capitalism and the US, stating we are the enemy and responsible for all wrong doings around the globe, but they do it as they are allowed to speak their mind freely and openly, all from the confines of there home in the US, behind a keyboard created and produced by capitalism. Irony is simply amazing!
ETA: Yes, I know. My grammar blows.
ETA: Yes, I know. My grammar blows.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 10:40 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:39 am to SaintCajun
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Flame Salamander You have not provided a single source to back up your claims, whereas Darth has. The only thing you've said that has any validity is that Che is still revered in South America, and that's because I'm validating it for you seeing how that is home to my family.
What claims have I made? Didn't you learn anything from the college history of the Americas courses that you took?
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:40 am to SaintCajun
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Getting killed while fighting for something you believe in usually has that effect
Not really, many people fight for despicable reasons. He is connected with the initial revolution in Cuba, which overthrew an admittedly corrupt president (the majority of Cubans will agree that Batista was no good). For that he is revered, but only because he didn't live through the transformation that Cuba is today.
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Castro essentially became what Che was fighting. Who is to say he would not have tried to organize a revolution against Castro
I'm sorry but again that is a very silly thing to say. Statements like this illustrate exactly why Che is revered today, again because of what I said above, his connection with present day Cuba was severed with his death. But don't be naive enough to think that present day Cuba is not what he envisioned. Che had well documented ties with the Soviet KGB, a communist regime is precisely what he wanted.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 10:43 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:40 am to mkibod1
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I love when people come on here, bash capitalism and the US, stating we are the enemy and responsible for all wrong doings around the globe, but they do it as they are allowed to speak their mind freely and openly, all from the confines of there home in the US, behind a keyboard created and produced by capitalism. Irony is simply amazing!
Where have I bashed capitalism?
Capitalism doesn't equal freedom. Just look at China as an example.
This post was edited on 1/23/14 at 10:53 am
Posted on 1/23/14 at 10:40 am to Flame Salamander
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Flame Salamander
Dude shut the frick up...You sound like an arrogant prick trying to one up someone who apparently knows his shite.. and you simply do not
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