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re: Thoughts on LEO in BR being criticized for deploying "military-style" gear?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:29 pm to ForeverLSU02
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:29 pm to ForeverLSU02
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Thoughts on LEO in BR being criticized for deploying "military-style" gear?
I am usually against the militarization of the police, but when the situation calls for, and that one did, it can be appropriate. The peaceful protestors marched to the state capital, rallied, and went back to the church. However, a few hundred which were mostly from New Orleans or from another state decided they didn't want to follow the law. Louisiana law enforcement rewrote the book on how you handle these type of events. Help them protest (i.e block streets along the pre approved route ahead of the marching protestors) as long as they are peaceful and obeying the law, but as soon as they stop being peaceful or start breaking the law (i.e. deviating from approved route and trying to block the interstate) drop the hammer. Louisiana LEOs did just that, and I give them a big thumbs ups.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:29 pm to ForeverLSU02
Let me go on the record as saying normally I am completely against the militirization of police. I do not believe that our police should be treating everyday citizens as if they are terrorist threats. The thought of the police becoming too militarized almost scares me.
BUT, after the Dallas sniper, not to mention watching the city of Ferguson being nearly burned down to the ground. I cannot blame BRPD one bit. I give them alot of credit. Maybe they were overprepared. But id rather that than be underprepared.
BUT, after the Dallas sniper, not to mention watching the city of Ferguson being nearly burned down to the ground. I cannot blame BRPD one bit. I give them alot of credit. Maybe they were overprepared. But id rather that than be underprepared.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:33 pm to Puck82
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Most of us were watching live from all points of view. Don't put up photos of civil rights marches of the past and put up a photo of BRPD and other Louisiana Law Enforcement and try to draw some cheap arse emotional response.
Someone I'm friend with on FB was doing this shite. I was glued to the live streams all weekend and it was absolutely nothing like he was trying to portray.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:35 pm to ell_13
quote:Exactly.
Seems to be working just fine.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:35 pm to AnonymousTiger
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I'll be the bad guy here and say that I don't think police offices should have military-style equipment. We don't live in a police state (supposedly), and every department in the nation doesn't need a SWAT team.
Now bash away.
Not bashing I just can't reconcile that view given today's threats worldwide and the fact that police will be the first line of defense in terrorist situations
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:37 pm to upgrayedd
I guess I'll play a little bit of devil's advocate... they might have gone a little over the top with the body armor and riot gear, because it does likely escalate the situation and put the cops and protesters even more into an us vs. them potentially violent mentality than it already was. Plus I could see how it would put the officers in the mentality of looking for a fight vs. trying to keep the peace.
But... when I put myself in their shoes, they had all seen what happened in Dallas, so damn right they are going to want to be as protected as possible. And no one was killed, no buildings burned, no businesses were looted, as far as I know one cop getting hit in the face with some concrete was the most serious injury. So, seems like they handled it pretty well in the end.
ETA: And as one friend of mine said, you don't bring a knife to a potential gun fight.
But... when I put myself in their shoes, they had all seen what happened in Dallas, so damn right they are going to want to be as protected as possible. And no one was killed, no buildings burned, no businesses were looted, as far as I know one cop getting hit in the face with some concrete was the most serious injury. So, seems like they handled it pretty well in the end.
ETA: And as one friend of mine said, you don't bring a knife to a potential gun fight.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:38 pm to ForeverLSU02
Forget their feelings, keep the peace. If these tactics got them out of the streets, then keep it coming! 
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:39 pm to LSUBoo
quote:They had many opportunities and kept their cool throughout the ordeal.
Plus I could see how it would put the officers in the mentality of looking for a fight vs. trying to keep the peace.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:40 pm to ForeverLSU02
If I were a BR officer, I would say, "I appreciate the fact that I'm alive to hear this criticism. What else you got?"
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:41 pm to LSUBoo
Here's the deal with the riot gear. Friday started on Airline the cops were there in nothing but uniform. The riot patrol was on standby. When laws started to be broken and the attempts at blocking the roadways started the riot patrol was brought out. BRPD didn't just start out in riot gear without prior escalation from the protestors. And like someone said. There were several protests ie.. the capitol where police presence wasn't even noticed. Only in the instances where laws were broken were the SWAT and riot patrols brought out.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:42 pm to LSUBoo
quote:
I guess I'll play a little bit of devil's advocate... they might have gone a little over the top with the body armor and riot gear, because it does likely escalate the situation and put the cops and protesters even more into an us vs. them potentially violent mentality than it already was. Plus I could see how it would put the officers in the mentality of looking for a fight vs. trying to keep the peace.
But... when I put myself in their shoes, they had all seen what happened in Dallas, so damn right they are going to want to be as protected as possible. And no one was killed, no buildings burned, no businesses were looted, as far as I know one cop getting hit in the face with some concrete was the most serious injury. So, seems like they handled it pretty well in the end.
ETA: And as one friend of mine said, you don't bring a knife to a potential gun fight.
I would agree with you if these cops were in a constant toe-to-toe engagement with the protesters. The only time they were confronted in close quarters was after they disobeyed multiple orders to not violate any of the ground rules that were laid out. Once they disobeyed multiple commands the cops moved in, arrested people if needed, then pulled back to their staging areas. The only reason that confrontation on France St took place was because they were on their way to block the interstate.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:45 pm to ForeverLSU02
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They had many opportunities and kept their cool throughout the ordeal.
Oh, I think the officers did a fantastic job overall, from what I've seen.
I guess I just see where the point is coming from about the riot gear... I think in BR coming right after the Dallas incident, it was the right decision.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:45 pm to ForeverLSU02
Never know what to expect in these situations. You hope for he best but prepare for the worst.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:47 pm to LSUBoo
Dallas police chief even said in interview that police us to make these calls regardless of perception and shite like that. He said much better that how they'd reevaluate tactics in future
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:49 pm to ForeverLSU02
No new deaths, no serious injuries, no looting, no rioting, no major highways were shut down for long periods of time. I would say that's a win.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:51 pm to ForeverLSU02
I think Professor Kraska is missing the notion that this protest came just after officers in Dallas were mowed down in association with a protest. It absolutely made sense in the context of recent violence towards officers.
I respect his opinion as EKU is very pro-police (most of the officers in the region who aren't military attended EKU's criminal justice program as they're known for it) but he's off the mark here even with his experience.
I respect his opinion as EKU is very pro-police (most of the officers in the region who aren't military attended EKU's criminal justice program as they're known for it) but he's off the mark here even with his experience.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:53 pm to ForeverLSU02
Don't care at all. These things have shown they can get out of hand. You have to Prepare for worst. They handled it beautifully and places should take notice
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:54 pm to Chad504boy
What BRPD has done is nowhere near comparable to the response in Ferguson. When that thing started it looked like every officer out there had every possible peace of tactical equipment they owned, it seemed that every cop was in camo and each had a rifle.
The body armor and shields BRPD had seemed appropriate for the threat of rocks or bottles being thrown. There seemed to be a handful of guys in tactical gear with rifles mixed but after Dallas that I can see why.
The body armor and shields BRPD had seemed appropriate for the threat of rocks or bottles being thrown. There seemed to be a handful of guys in tactical gear with rifles mixed but after Dallas that I can see why.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 4:55 pm to ForeverLSU02
All I know is the ones who wanted to cause trouble and destroy our city weren't allowed to. Baton Rouge is functioning as is should because of those officers and we aren't fearing for our lives due to riots.
The BRPD did an awesome job and if anyone is hurt over the "big bad police" they can get the hell out of Louisiana.
The BRPD did an awesome job and if anyone is hurt over the "big bad police" they can get the hell out of Louisiana.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 5:02 pm to ForeverLSU02
Possibly the intimidation factor worked.
It seemed many of the hometown protesters were uninterested in tearing shite up, but would rather protest a bit and then block party.
and.....
It seemed many of the hometown protesters were uninterested in tearing shite up, but would rather protest a bit and then block party.
and.....
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