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re: Thoughts? Not trying to defend Australia but seems like they are doing something right
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:40 pm to Jcorye1
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:40 pm to Jcorye1
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What a shitty argument.
I'm not arguing anything. It was question if the guy really wouldn't care if the number of deaths doubled. No other mention of why he wouldn't. Just that he wouldn't care.
I would care if twice as many people died.
I wouldn't advocate shutting things down in order to stop that at the expense of everyone else unless you could show me it would actually do more good than harm. (I don't think it would).
Doesn't mean I don't care, just that I think the supposed cure would be worse than the disease. It's pointless to have a cavalier attitude toward other people's lives.
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Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:41 pm to PowerTool
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Even if it cost you a family member, right?
I’d volunteer a couple of em.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:41 pm to mdomingue
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Even if it cost you a family member, right?
Don't threaten me with a good time
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:43 pm to Cortez12
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Australia - 2,387 deaths
U.S.A - 836,000 deaths and counting
U.K. - 150,000 deaths
Brazil - 620,000 deaths
I guess under reporting their covid deaths is something.
Posted on 1/10/22 at 11:45 pm to OweO
You don’t have an original thought in your greasy head.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 5:45 am to MIATGRE
Multiply the number by 14 and it is still extremely better than the US. Not that I agree with their methods, but a population of 25 million isn't disproving their success.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:15 am to mdomingue
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Even if it cost you a family member, right?
Can I choose which one?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:30 am to OweO
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But the US is where it is today because of how it was handled early on.
I love how liberals are still blaming Trump for this.
Exactly how should something had been done differently, other than terminology?
Trump tried to close traffic from China and liberals called him racist.
Biden closes traffic from Africa and is labeled "Presidential", meanwhile leaving open the Southern border.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:41 am to Cortez12
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Cortez12
No offense, but you are exactly the reason we are in this pickle. You believe a spoon fed narrative and mouth breath yourself into accepting that they have it right ignoring all the other evidence.
CDC has announced that 75% of our deaths had 4+ comorbidities. Not only that but 75% of our deaths were older than 65.
If you’re the Australian govt trying to justify locking everything down and implementing camps, you really think it’s in their best interest to fudge the death totals?
When the real numbers come out (and they’re coming) be prepared to sit the next “pandemic” out and let the grownups handle it.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:41 am to OweO
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But the US is where it is today because of how it was handled early on. In summary, the white house and the CDC refused to start using the term pandemic
This is stupid...words don't stop or slow the spread of anything.
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And for some reason the CDC didn't think it was a good idea to start testing people coming from other countries (both US citizens returning and people traveling here) especially from Wuhan back in January 2020. That would have allowed them to identify and quarantine those people in order to limit the spread.
The media called Trump racist for trying to stop movement in and out of the country. The democrats sent letters to the executive over it/sued for free movement. The WH actually tried to do shite within its authority.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 6:50 am to OweO
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But the US is where it is today because of how it was handled early on.
not even back a day and already posting bullshite. a) it wouldn’t have mattered. the virus would’ve gotten here somehow and spread like a wildfire regardless. this is a simple concept.
b) your side called the previous administration racist for shutting down flights from countries with COVID outbreaks.
c) since Biden took office nearly 2 million illegal immigrants have tried to cross our borders. Most of which were successful.
and finally i don’t really want to hear the bleeding heart compassion nonsense from you. Not even 6 months ago you suggested on this very website that if it were up to you, the unvaccinated wouldn’t be treated at ERs and Hospitals. fricking disgusting.
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the white house and the CDC refused to start using the term pandemic
WTF are you talking about? Got any evidence of this? Pure speculation on your part per usual.
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which by then was actually too late.
too late for what exactly? to completely stop COVID at our borders? to have the necessary PPE and hospitals ready for the 1st wave? what exactly was too late?
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And the white house was playing politics with their thumb up their arse. So in summary, there was an opportunity to have this shite under control.
you’re making a repetitive jab with no substantial claim or evidence to prove it. the reference some book you’ve read to help your credibility on the topic. typical. got any stories about your Uncle’s Neighbor’s Cousin who runs marathons and is a virologist to tell us?
what would you have done differently? what would have a Democrat president have done differently? Do you really think that would make a difference?
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 7:15 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:13 am to crazy4lsu
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And it isn't comforting because there isn't a demographic subset in the US that exists without serious comorbidities, except for maybe children.
It’s funny to be when posts try to emphasize the comorbidities element as if pretty much everyone in the thread doesn’t have at least 2.
Example: if you are 5’10 and weigh more than 175….you have a COVID comorbidity!
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:16 am to Volvagia
the CDC director said yesterday that the average person who died of COVID 19 has at minimum 7 comorbidities. FYI
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:19 am to Tiger Vision
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They are probably only counting true covid deaths.
Bingo.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:19 am to mdomingue
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So you wouldn't care. Got it.
So you wouldn't care if saving your family member meant destroying the lives of thousands of other families?
Because that's exactly what happened following your mentality.
Being a free individual means doing everything you can in your power to help your family, but never through force.
Being a authoritarian piece of shite means doing whatever you can to force everyone else to help your family, whether they want to/can or not.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:22 am to Klark Kent
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the CDC director said yesterday that the average person who died of COVID 19 has at minimum 7 comorbidities. FYI
1) Link? Only number I saw was ~75% had 4 or more
2) in the context of the conversation, it was confirmed that it was deaths who were vaccinated, not overall ( LINK)
3)doesn’t change my point. The threshold of having a comorbidity isn’t just being a 300 fat frick with blood so fatty you can sauté with it.
This post was edited on 1/11/22 at 7:26 am
Posted on 1/11/22 at 7:56 am to Centinel
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So you wouldn't care if saving your family member meant destroying the lives of thousands of other families?
Never said I wanted that, I do not. But I would care if someone in my family died. I asked a simple question of a guy who made a statement he would not care if twice as many people died, no qualifier as to what he meant, just that he would not care.
I would care if twice as many people died. I would not want to lock anything down.
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Because that's exactly what happened following your mentality.
Only if you can't think logically and separate your feelings from you actions.
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Being a free individual means doing everything you can in your power to help your family, but never through force.
Actually that isn't true, as an individual I absolutely would use force if needed to protect my family. Which is why I support the second admendment.
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Being a authoritarian piece of shite means doing whatever you can to force everyone else to help your family, whether they want to/can or not.
It also means not caring how many people die.
People on this board read a statement, decide they know what it means about the writers politics and then make a judgement with no facts whatsoever.
You decided I'm liberal, I am anything but. You decided I'm authoritarian, I would prefer as small a government as is functionally possible who primarily functions to provide safety and stays out of the way of individuals. I also care if people die.
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:01 am to mdomingue
It is simple. The data is available for individuals to make educated decisions based on their free will. Not a mandate from the government that says you will lose your job and your livelihood if you don’t buy into the fear.
At this point, if someone is unvaccinated and at risk, that is a risk they have accepted and really it has no bearing on anyone else. Data and common sense have told us that the vax doesn’t stop transmission of the virus and merely mitigates the symptoms.
This answers your question and explains why. You have chose to ignore this and pivot to “wElL wHaT iF iTs YoUr mOmMy” because you’re unwilling to accept and move on.
Here’s a tip, if you are still afraid of COVID, you are justified, but why cant you just stay home and quarantine yourself from society? Can you tell me one time in human history where we have put the needs of the sick over the needs of the healthy to this degree?
At this point, if someone is unvaccinated and at risk, that is a risk they have accepted and really it has no bearing on anyone else. Data and common sense have told us that the vax doesn’t stop transmission of the virus and merely mitigates the symptoms.
This answers your question and explains why. You have chose to ignore this and pivot to “wElL wHaT iF iTs YoUr mOmMy” because you’re unwilling to accept and move on.
Here’s a tip, if you are still afraid of COVID, you are justified, but why cant you just stay home and quarantine yourself from society? Can you tell me one time in human history where we have put the needs of the sick over the needs of the healthy to this degree?
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:09 am to Cortez12
Covid lockdowns effectiveness should be marked by numbers of cases. Deaths is more a function of overall prior health of the individuals infected.
With that, Australia's "cases" number is still over one million. US totals are much higher, around 30 million, but way more testing is done here.
Synopsis: lockdowns are not as effective as general health
With that, Australia's "cases" number is still over one million. US totals are much higher, around 30 million, but way more testing is done here.
Synopsis: lockdowns are not as effective as general health
Posted on 1/11/22 at 8:26 am to Taxing Authority
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You know... we could have zero car deaths if we made the speed limit 5 mph everywhere
Australia outlawed driving period.
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