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re: This is a very damning statement concerning the Alec Baldwin tragedy
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:55 am to HouseMom
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:55 am to HouseMom
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It's why you don't have droves of hunters committing gun crimes.
I've shot thousands or rounds and never killed anyone, so Alec is in a pretty exclusive club.
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“I wonder how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone,”
Now you know, buddy.
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Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:55 am to Geekboy
My question is how often does something like this happen though?
Every year, there are probably hundreds of tv shows and movies made every year that features the use of guns. Yet everyone keeps comparing this to an accidental tragedy that happened nearly 30 years ago.
Was Alec supposed to be fearful that the gun was loaded because of what happened on the set of The Crow in 93?
Every year, there are probably hundreds of tv shows and movies made every year that features the use of guns. Yet everyone keeps comparing this to an accidental tragedy that happened nearly 30 years ago.
Was Alec supposed to be fearful that the gun was loaded because of what happened on the set of The Crow in 93?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:56 am to Geekboy
I think it's just as simple as being complacent.
How many people have shot themselves or someone else with an "unloaded" gun? Probably thousands.
IMO, the bigger issue is that Alec was the producer that was trying to cut corners, and apparently one of those corners was gun safety. That will come back to haunt him.
How many people have shot themselves or someone else with an "unloaded" gun? Probably thousands.
IMO, the bigger issue is that Alec was the producer that was trying to cut corners, and apparently one of those corners was gun safety. That will come back to haunt him.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:57 am to stout
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You know reading threads here is voluntary, right?
And commenting on a surge in threads on a given topic is well within normal parameters for a message board. Sounds like everyone is just chugging along with the status quo
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:57 am to QJenk
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Was Alec supposed to be fearful that the gun was loaded because of what happened on the set of The Crow in 93?
They already had issues of live rounds being misplaced and fired on this set. He had every reason and responsibility to check the firearm.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 7:58 am to dallastiger55
If you pull the trigger, you are responsible. Period
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:02 am to The Mick
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The real gun that has the ability to shoot a real bullet is what shouldn't be on set imo.
Make movies suck again.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:03 am to Geekboy
A hypothetical statement isn't damning.
Alec Baldwin saying "I'm gonna kill this bitch" would be damning IMO.
Alec Baldwin saying "I'm gonna kill this bitch" would be damning IMO.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:03 am to JonTigerFan11
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I don’t like Alec Baldwin but this boards activity in the past few days regarding this has been next level
It's very strange. I even get the discussions about it, but the incessant threads come off as weirdly obsessive.
I think AB is a massive douche, but by all accounts this seems like an honest accident. So investigate, find out who is to blame (likely numerous people), take it to court, and move on. That's about all you can do. It's awful for the person that died's family, and even for the people on the set that had to witness something like that. And moving forward, put more policies in place so that this never happens again (especially considering there were already some iffy things that had happened here).
ETA: regarding this thread, I've always thought it would be so strange if I were an actor and had to "kill myself," because the gun safety I was raised on wouldn't let me put a "real" gun to my head and pull the trigger. Always thought that would have to be the weirdest feeling as an actor, and I'm not sure I could do it.
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 8:05 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:07 am to Bourre
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If you pull the trigger, you are responsible. Period
At the end of the day, this is all that really matters.
Trying to use the diffusion of responsibility defense is not going to help, Alec. The buck has to stop somewhere and it has to be the person pointing a deadly weapon at another person. Even in jest or part of a performance. It doesn't lessen the seriousness of the action.
That doesn't mean I don't understand, "Why" he pointed the weapon in her direction. I get it. It's a movie set, and part of that is going to involve less than safe weapon handling. In those scenarios, there should be a heightened sense of safety. Even greater than the average person's responsibility. That's why there are people whose job it is to enforce and maintain safety on the set. Alec, hired the lowest bidder it seems.
It sucks, but people need to be reminded from time to time about, "Trust, but verify."
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:08 am to BeaverPRO
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The first thing you are taught when going to a firearm training is that you check the weapon is clear before handling anyting else. Even if you know the gun is empty, you check yourself to make sure and don't take someone elses word on it.
The problem is none of these buffoons have had any actual firearm training. They just know “guns are bad.”
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:11 am to CaptainsWafer
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The problem is none of these buffoons have had any actual firearm training. They just know “guns are bad.”
Evidently a lot of actors do go and get firearm training on their own. Its not provided by the studio or production company, which is pretty silly.
Its very hard working normal industries where liability usually involves training, and now shift to the Movie industry where evidently no one can be blamed.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:11 am to CocomoLSU
This is a tough one for me. In a controlled environment that had paid professionals to control access to weapons and ensure their safety, and someone handing him a gun and announcing cold gun, I can see why he didn’t check the gun. You go have your tires changed, do you check the lugs before you drive away or do you trust the professionals to do their job?
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:11 am to JonTigerFan11
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I don’t like Alec Baldwin but this boards activity in the past few days regarding this has been next level
This dude has been an active participant in trying to get guns taken away, and he outs himself as someone that has little knowledge of firearm safety by making an egregious error in using one.
I think people are just a little sick of letting others that don’t know what they are talking about try to dictate policy
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
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They already had issues of live rounds being misplaced and fired on this set. He had every reason and responsibility to check the firearm.
Fair enough. For me, I think it's moreso dependant upon what's typical protocol in the film industry.
I don't work in the industry obviously, so I don't know how things go on set. Are actors expected to check the weapon they've been handed to verify its safety in every scene? Or is there no expectation for the personal actor to check it, as the weapon was supposedly checked multiple times already.
Did Alec break typical film industry protocol? That is the overarching question here. 99% of people on the OT have likely never been on set for a movie/show, so none of us can really answer that question honestly.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:12 am to Directional Tiger
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In a controlled environment that had paid professionals to control access to weapons
the problem is, it wasn't a controlled environment. It was supposed to be but it wasn't. And Baldwin knew it.
Sounds like more actors are coming out and saying that showing the cleared weapon to the actor is normal.
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Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.
"They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see," Liotta said. "They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work."
This post was edited on 10/26/21 at 8:17 am
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:18 am to Geekboy
I always check guns for bullets anytime I handle one. Alec killed that chic on purpose. She had the goods on him.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:18 am to JonTigerFan11
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I don’t like Alec Baldwin but this boards activity in the past few days regarding this has been next level
We hate hypocrites and karma is a mofo. Especially in this instance.
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:18 am to The Mick
> The real gun that has the ability to shoot a real bullet is what shouldn't be on set imo.
Even otherwise relaxed people hide live ammo away when cleaning a gun. It's one of the many gun safety things people do that may seem overly cautious, even silly, but still get done because guns are extremely dangerous tools
Even otherwise relaxed people hide live ammo away when cleaning a gun. It's one of the many gun safety things people do that may seem overly cautious, even silly, but still get done because guns are extremely dangerous tools
Posted on 10/26/21 at 8:24 am to RogerTheShrubber
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the problem is, it wasn't a controlled environment. It was supposed to be but it wasn't. And Baldwin knew it.
Sounds like more actors are coming out and saying that showing the cleared weapon to the actor is normal.
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Actor Ray Liotta agreed with Wright that the checks on firearms are usually extensive.
"They always — that I know of — they check it so you can see," Liotta said. "They give it to the person you’re pointing the gun at, they do it to the producer, they show whoever is there that it doesn’t work."
I know if I was the actor being shot at, I'd damn sure want to be shown that it was truly empty/safe. And it would still make me uncomfortable.
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