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re: This employee shortage isn't letting up

Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:28 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:28 pm to
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My dad is close to retirement. A few years ago his company did an internal study where they looked at people hired the same year. One group was one that worked for the same company for 10 years, one group hopped around 2-4 years, but ended up back at the original company. The first group made 12-18% more than when hired on. The latter group made 25-30% more.

They started giving their long time employees bigger raises as they realized the knowledge they were losing was killing them because they were having to hire their replacements at the same rate the original employee left for.
That's what happens when the bean counters treat employees and their wages as short term expenses instead of long term assets.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28710 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:35 pm to
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Diversity is negatively correlated with every basic measure of social health.
Not saying you are wrong, but you gotta link?
He's probably going off the lists out there where diversity is measured by how many languages are spoken and micro-cultures there are in a country, which puts a lot of third world countries at the top. Of course language barriers and isolated cultural practices negatively impact the social health of a nation as a whole.

Posted by flyAU
Scottsdale
Member since Dec 2010
24854 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:48 pm to
Lower the minimum working age to 12 and up to 40 hours.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19357 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:56 pm to
The loss of shared values leads to a collapse in society at a local level. People bunker down. They stop trusting each other. They’re less social, have fewer friends, they’re unhappier. They’re also unable to act collectively to solve commuting problems, because they’re no longer a community.

LINK
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19357 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 10:57 pm to
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He's probably going off the lists out there where diversity is measured by how many languages are spoken and micro-cultures there are in a country, which puts a lot of third world countries at the top. Of course language barriers and isolated cultural practices negatively impact the social health of a nation as a whole.


No.
Posted by NOLAVOL16
Member since Jan 2022
873 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:14 pm to
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None of the above is ascertained by being a college graduate now


Didn’t say they were. I meant working an entry level job as a teenager gives you those things.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28710 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:16 pm to
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The loss of shared values leads to a collapse in society at a local level. People bunker down. They stop trusting each other. They’re less social, have fewer friends, they’re unhappier. They’re also unable to act collectively to solve commuting problems, because they’re no longer a community.

LINK

You clearly have not even read your own source if your take is "the more diverse a country is, the worse off it is, by every metric." A few select bits:
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Increased immigration and diversity are not only inevitable, but over the long run
they are also desirable. Ethnic diversity is, on balance, an important social
asset, as the history of my own country demonstrates.
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So our societies will inevitably be more ethnically diverse tomorrow than
they are today. And that diversity will be a valuable national asset.3
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Creativity in general seems to be enhanced by immigration and diversity
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Immigration is generally associated with more rapid economic growth.


What the frick did you even read?
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19357 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:25 pm to
Read the body of the study.

Putnam didn’t like what he found and spent five years trying to disprove it.
Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:33 pm to
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Didn’t say they were. I meant working an entry level job as a teenager gives you those things.


Well in that case, I agree with you completely. My apologies for the rant. Obviously higher education did not help with my reading comprehension.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:37 pm to
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I’m a Probation and Parole Officer.

Posted by jennBN
Member since Jun 2010
3151 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:37 pm to
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Diversity is negatively correlated with every basic measure of social health


Your hypothesis is most obviously disproven by the high quality of ethnic restaurants in diverse areas. Variety being the spice of life and all, that positively impacts my social health. I would think the the more diverse an area the happier and healthier?
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32501 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:40 pm to
As a college graduate and someone who worked for the same company for 8 years it’s not as easy as it sounds. I left the oil industry and found a better job but it wasn’t a quick process.
Posted by Eurocat
Member since Apr 2004
15048 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:51 pm to
Maybe companies should stop treating their employees like dog poo. Maybe they could then retain workers. Call me crazy but it just might work. This was just in the NYT yesterday - cp full article linked.

LINK

In January 2021, Mary Gundel received a letter from Dollar General’s corporate office congratulating her for being one of the company’s top-performing employees. In honor of her hard work and dedication, the company gave Ms. Gundel a lapel pin that read, “DG: Top 5%.” “Wear it proudly,” the letter said. Ms. Gundel loved her job managing the Dollar General store in Tampa, Fla. It was fast-paced, unpredictable and even exciting. She especially liked the challenge of calming down belligerent customers and pursuing shoplifters. She earned about $51,000 a year, far more than the median income in Tampa.

But the job had its challenges, too: Delivery trucks that would show up unannounced, leaving boxes piled up in the aisles because there weren’t enough workers to unpack them. Days spent running the store for long stretches by herself because the company allotted only so many hours for other employees to work. Cranky customers complaining about out of stock items. The result was a six-part critique on Tik Tok, “Retail Store Manager Life,” in which Ms. Gundel laid bare the working conditions inside the fast-growing retail chain, with stores that are a common sight in rural areas. As Ms. Gundel had predicted, Dollar General soon fired her. She was let go less than a week after posting her first critical video, but not before she inspired other Dollar General store managers, many of them women working in stores in poor areas, to speak out on TikTok.

Ms. Gundel planned on a long career at Dollar General when she started working in her first store in Georgia three years ago. She has three children, including one who is autistic, and her husband works at a defense contractor. She grew up in Titusville, Fla., near Cape Canaveral. Her mother was a district manager at the Waffle House restaurants. Her grandmother worked in the gift store at the Kennedy Space Center. Ms. Gundel moved to Tampa as a Dollar General store manager in February 2020, just before the pandemic.

The store used to have about 198 hours a week to allocate to a staff of about seven people, she said. But by the end of last month, she had only about 130 hours to allocate, which equated to one full-time employee and one part-time employee fewer than when she started. With not as many hours to give to her staff, Ms. Gundel often had to operate the store on her own for long stretches, typically working six days and up to 60 hours a week with no overtime pay.

Ms. Gundel’s protest was prompted by a TikTok video posted by a customer complaining about the disheveled state of a Dollar General store. Ms. Gundel had heard these complaints from her own customers. Why are boxes blocking the aisles? Why aren’t the shelves fully stocked?

She understood their frustration. But “Instead of getting mad at the people working there, trying to handle all of their workload, why don’t you say something to the actual big people in the company?” Ms. Gundel said on TikTok. “Why don’t you demand more from the company so they actually start funding the stores to be able to get all this stuff done?”
This post was edited on 4/19/22 at 11:56 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
19357 posts
Posted on 4/19/22 at 11:54 pm to
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I would think the the more diverse an area the happier and healthier?



Putnam asked the happiness question directly

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‘All things considered, would you say you are very happy, happy, not very happy, or not happy at all?’


The more diverse a community, the unhappier respondents were.


I think one of the problems with diversity is threat perception. We have trouble understanding and predicting the behavior of people from alien cultures. And our natural response is to withdraw, because the uncertainty makes us physically insecure.

If we can’t tell who is dangerous, or could be dangerous, the only safe thing to do is retreat.


Edit - I do appreciate your point about restaurants. I grew up outside of Washington DC, and if I miss anything from that area, it’s the food. I loved the Afghan restaurants especially.

The happiest I’ve ever been is living in rural Montana and Wyoming.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 12:01 am
Posted by UncleLester
West of the Mississippi
Member since Aug 2008
6620 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 12:57 am to
You have a nice slice of folks that didn’t have to pay rent for most of Covid and then peaced out on their Landlord (while pocketing Federal Enhanced Unemployment, Stimulus, Plus whatever additional Government benefits they could get).

Give them a few more months. They’ll finally piss it all away and have to return to work when unemployment is too little.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 12:57 am
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28710 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:06 am to
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Read the body of the study.
The study finds what most would probably think is quite obvious. Humans, like almost all animals, are more trusting of their own kind, pack, or family than they are of others. The finding that diversity also leads to distrust within groups is perhaps counter-intuitive though not entirely surprising.
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Putnam didn’t like what he found and spent five years trying to disprove it.
Are you talking about the gap between publishing the data and publishing the paper? What makes you say he was trying to "disprove" the results rather than make sense of them?

Regardless, you have twisted the results hard into "worse off by every metric". Far from "every metric", it's Putnam's own vague definition of "social capital" and its negative correlation with diversity. Why do you stop here instead of recognizing, as Putnam does, that we've been successful in many ways despite a decline in "social capital"? Do you assume that "social capital" is a positive quality rather than a neutral or negative one?

It seems clear that society benefits when we set aside our differences and work together, yes? We still far too often war and fight and victimize one another, but obviously things work out better when we don't cave to those animal instincts, right? When we accept and communicate and do business with each other? How do you reconcile this with the idea that any group would be better off segregated from the rest? Or do you think we should do most things together but only live segregated? It's an issue of housing proximity?
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68838 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:11 am to
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Not gonna lie, that sounds pretty miserable. You realize there are jobs that pay the bills and then some that you don’t have to hate with more payoff than


Not when you spent two years at home smoking weed or boozing.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68838 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:16 am to
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The store used to have about 198 hours a week to allocate to a staff of about seven people, she said. But by the end of last month, she had only about 130 hours to allocate, which equated to one full-time employee and one part-time employee fewer than when she started. With not as many hours to give to her staff, Ms. Gundel often had to operate the store on her own for long stretches, typically working six days and up to 60 hours a week with no overtime pay.



This is what it’s like being a manager. It’s a shitty job but her other option was what? Do everything half arse and stay the cashier.

News flash, these stores need to turn a profit. Labor costs cut into that. I guess that other option is to just not have these stores in rural areas and then there would be no stores. And she wouldn’t have her 50k a year job.


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Ms. Gundel’s protest was prompted by a TikTok video posted by a customer complaining about the disheveled state of a Dollar General store. Ms. Gundel had heard these complaints from her own customers. Why are boxes blocking the aisles? Why aren’t the shelves fully stocked?


That’s like her fricking job.
This post was edited on 4/20/22 at 1:19 am
Posted by WWII Collector
Member since Oct 2018
7024 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 1:21 am to
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Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if this will end.



When the Diesel tractors, fuel, corn. cow, chickens...

plus real estate... china...
Posted by RockyMtnTigerWDE
War Damn Eagle Dad!
Member since Oct 2010
105432 posts
Posted on 4/20/22 at 2:13 am to
It’s a problem everywhere.

They are opening three restaurants in our town. Fighting for the same small pool of workers.
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