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re: There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:41 am to VictoryHill
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:41 am to VictoryHill
I'm 35 and left the office job 3 years ago to become a diesel mechanic. I saw the coming tide, not going to be enough young folk to fill all those positions in the next 5-10 years. I make decent money now, certainly not poor, but I'm still learning. By the time I'm 40 I probably won't ever turn a wrench again and will have tons of options about what I want to do, many of which those jobs will be begging for someone qualified.
Now on the flip side of that, more and more young people are getting tech degrees and the older people who can't print a spreadsheet are retiring. Tech people will become less and less valuable as time goes on.
edit - and by the way, being a diesel mechanic nowadays is increasingly getting to the point where it takes someone with computer technical skills to diagnose issues as well as being handy with a wrench.
Now on the flip side of that, more and more young people are getting tech degrees and the older people who can't print a spreadsheet are retiring. Tech people will become less and less valuable as time goes on.
edit - and by the way, being a diesel mechanic nowadays is increasingly getting to the point where it takes someone with computer technical skills to diagnose issues as well as being handy with a wrench.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 8:51 am
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Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:41 am to baldona
quote:
owning a plumbing company.
quote:
running a small business
These things are quite different than a job. Encouraging some kid to go into a trade so one day he can become a business owner is silly. As I think based on your posts, you should know that being a business owner is massively different than the actual boots on the ground doing the job.
Successful owners are using a different skill set entirely. Most tradesmen fail at operating a successful business. Most everyone at that.
I keep repeating "successful" because many employees go out on their own and work for 5 stressful years on going out of business.
People aren't telling kids to become a an engineer one day they can own their own firm. Yet somehow people are telling kids to become a plumber because their neighbor owns 15 trucks, makes 500k and hasn't held a wrench in years. That person is not a plumber, that person was a plumber who also has solid business skills.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:43 am to Arthur Bach
quote:This will become a growing issue over the next decade globally.
There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
The boomer generation is aging into retirement and the next generation isn’t large enough to fill the gaps, not to mention the “education” level of the upcoming generations and the lack of employees for physical labor.
That is seen here in the US and also in places like China.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:45 am to LSUfan4444
quote:Someone has to be skilled to put in the AC. Same with the waste pipe. The waste pipe is 100X more important than the AC. See how fricked your home gets if you have no ac vs having no way to get rid of your shite (unless you live deep out in the country).
Cause air conditioning is the tits
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:50 am to tiggerthetooth
quote:
Pay more.
shite my guys get pay a lot. (House Framer)
They start out at $15.00 a hour just to tote wood.
Guys that layout walls and work in the air
make $25.00 to $30.00.
They are all Mexicans and work 60 to 70 hrs. a week
in the summer.
Try to work Americans, but they last for about week.
Their wife have to drive them to and from work because
they don't have a driver license because of DUI., and
lay out every other day lazy MFer's.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:56 am to lsunatchamp
quote:
Tech people will become less and less valuable as time goes on.
Low-end tech support guys that JUST install printers, help with updates, etc. maybe, just due to the fact that a lot of their need will be erased when most of the workforce has a basic familiarity with tech.
Guys like myself with network support qualifications in addition to the former aren't going anywhere. So you keep turning those wrenches and I'll keep watching YouTube on the clock chilling in my X Chair.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:57 am to Turnblad85
quote:
These things are quite different than a job. Encouraging some kid to go into a trade so one day he can become a business owner is silly. As I think based on your posts, you should know that being a business owner is massively different than the actual boots on the ground doing the job. Successful owners are using a different skill set entirely. Most tradesmen fail at operating a successful business. Most everyone at that.
Exactly.
The common refrain on here is that hvac techs and plumbers can easily clear deep into the six figures. Ok and a finance person or lawyer can just as easily clear 7 figures.
And by just as easily I mean hard as shite. The refrain that any high school educated baw with a little bit of work ethic can easily start, build and maintain a successful small business is laughable. Some can and do, but 90% (or more) can't or don't.
Odds are pretty fricking high that the guy coming out to fix your leaking faucet is working his arse off for like 60-70k a year (at best) and little/no benefits.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:58 am to JCinBAMA
quote:Yea, pay isn’t the issue.
shite my guys get pay a lot. (House Framer)
They start out at $15.00 a hour just to tote wood. Guys that layout walls and work in the air make $25.00 to $30.00.
They are all Mexicans and work 60 to 70 hrs. a week in the summer.
Try to work Americans, but they last for about week.
Their wife have to drive them to and from work because they don't have a driver license because of DUI., and lay out every other day lazy MFer's.
Americans believe they are above manual labor.
Scruffy has heard that argument from poor, jobless Americans.
“I think I am better than that.”
Pay won’t change that mindset.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:58 am to JohnnyKilroy
If he is making 60k as a plumber he needs to move. Plumbers can easily make over 100k as an employee over time (even if they aren’t cut out to start their own company).
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 8:59 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:00 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:That is above average for a single male in the USA.
Odds are pretty fricking high that the guy coming out to fix your leaking faucet is working his arse off for like 60-70k a year (at best) and little/no benefits.
Median is in the 50s.
Why do people have such an inflated view of income nowadays?
The average male won’t earn six figures in their life.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:01 am to Arthur Bach
That’s because they all play travel sports or video games until 18 and don’t learn anything else of value until after.
Same goes for girls now. Gym, dance, cheer, sports, learn nothing of value to men.
Same goes for girls now. Gym, dance, cheer, sports, learn nothing of value to men.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:07 am to JCinBAMA
quote:
make $25.00 to $30.00.
work 60 to 70 hrs. a week
in the summer.
I don't think you are making the pro-trade sentiment you think you are making
That sounds awful. Awful for people from a first-world anyway. For Mexican people thats terrific work compared to back home. This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:08 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:08 am to Scruffy
Actually my numbers were wrong.
It looks like an average experienced plumber makes closer to 50k than 60k in my area.
It looks like an average experienced plumber makes closer to 50k than 60k in my area.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:09 am to JohnnyKilroy
quote:So, average income.
It looks like an average experienced plumber makes closer to 50k than 60k in my area.
My point still stands.
Hell, it took me 10 years of training and a mountain of debt to make six figures. And I made below average for that decade.
14 years if you include college.
The USA needs a re-education on reality.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:15 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Miners average 110k a year locally. Easy work.
Mechanics came make 200k easily here. Alyeska pays welders 150-200k a year for pipeline work.
Theres work that pays, most are too lazy to do it, or even find out about it.
Get a union apprenticeship, no student loans, paid while learning, start at 60k plus.
Lots of dudes with degrees work outside here, its like 70 degrees in summer.
I've done some time on the Slope, Alaska is an awesome place to work and the people are amazing. Money is top notch.
But bruh it gets cold up there.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:12 am to Bronc
quote:Gen Xer, former latch-key kid here. I've read here many times the ole "hard times make tough men who make good times which make soft men who make bad times." I think there is some degree of truth to that. If I compare the conditions I grew up in and what I had to work for before it was legal to work versus my children and what they have not had to work for, there is a vast difference in attitude and a warped view of what the world "provides." It's me that does the providing, so I certainly gave my children more than I had. That also, by the way, was an American dream type of thing to do. Even though I'm very grounded in my thoughts, words, and actions (other than providing an above-average lifestyle for my family), I've found the environment trumps whatever I can do to affect their attitudes. I still have a child in high school, and they show some promise and seem to see the error of the ways of their sibling, so the jury is still out. However, all of you assholes better be taking personal responsibility for your shite, or you have no leg to stand on regarding the stones you throw.
If that's the case, wonder what generation raised them???
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:20 am to Scruffy
quote:are you still a resident? You’ll quickly learn 50-60k is not a good living these days when you get a real check
Why do people have such an inflated view of income nowadays?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:26 am to Arthur Bach
Easy fix.
Stop indoctrinating HS kids that college is the way.
Teach them a trade is trade school and Votech.
They’ll make more money and be happier in the long run.
Stop indoctrinating HS kids that college is the way.
Teach them a trade is trade school and Votech.
They’ll make more money and be happier in the long run.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:30 am to GreatLakesTiger24
quote:I understand that, although I lived extremely comfortably on sub-50k per year.
are you still a resident? You’ll quickly learn 50-60k is not a good living these days when you get a real check
My point is, there is this overinflated view of what income actually is and what it will be in the future.
Everyone views six figures as basic. I have a friend who was questioning a job because it would only pay $80k right out of college. Blew my mind.
I don’t disagree that shite in this country is completely out of whack. The cost of homes and products are insane.
Nothing fits reality anymore.
This post was edited on 1/21/23 at 9:34 am
Posted on 1/21/23 at 9:34 am to Scruffy
quote:
So, average income.
Now do average income of people who desire to have a career, family, house and just generally be contributing citizens. I assure you, the average among those people isn't "50-60k".
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