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re: There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:10 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:10 pm to Dr RC
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Gen X.
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had everything handed to them on a silver platter and act like they invented America
Yeah this is wrong.
We worked our asses off.
You are right about Boomers, though. The most useless generation in the history of this country.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:that’s not incorrect but it’s mostly irrelevant
Maybe more in some areas.. Heavy equipment can operate itself via GPS. Jobs that once required a thousand men with shovels now require a good playlist or podcast.
I see blue collar dudes working hard, drenched in sweat, every single day. even the union guys. Odds are you’re doing years and years of labor if you go into the trades
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:30 pm to X123F45
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I love working with my hands. I especially love building furniture and rebuilding engines.
There’s a sense of pride after I’ve completed a project with my hands that nothing else really gives me. I painted my entire house (interior and exterior) by myself and I can’t tell you how great I felt after I finished. Unfortunately, I’m too smart for that to be my main occupation.
This post was edited on 1/20/23 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:34 pm to Arthur Bach
I’m a supervisor, when work is slow our job will send other supervisors to work together. Just so everyone gets a paycheck. I’m 56 and the work gets tough sometimes but nothing that hard I don’t mind it and grateful that our company does it instead of layoffs. We get this new supervisor 20 something straight up told the rest of us he wasn’t touching anything that he is paid to supervise. He got sent home
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:45 pm to tigerinthebueche
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What do you think is fair?
Don't work, don't eat. Cut welfare to all able bodied persons.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:57 pm to Triple Bogey
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I painted my entire house (interior and exterior) by myself and I can’t tell you how great I felt after I finished. Unfortunately, I’m too smart for that to be my main occupation.
Guarantee it looks like shite. But good on you though buddy.
Posted on 1/20/23 at 5:59 pm to ScopeCreep
quote:My favorite group of men.
55+ crowd
Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:29 am to Arthur Bach
There is a reason blue collar work isn't as desired and its not because people haven't figured out some "blue collar work life hack make tons of $$$".
People talk about a blue collar's hourly wage or quick $1500 job but you won't hear what they earn in the terms of total compensation. That being, health ins, matched 401k, Dental, 1/2 fica, PTO. Tons of blue collar are 1099 and have to fund all that stuff themselves. Hourly wages, annual wages or job pay is pretty useless without the whole story.
As far as the toll it takes on a body, walk into any specialty supply house and observe both the physical (and mental) nature of the customers between the ages of 35-55. A real treat is the HVAC house in the middle of a heat wave. The idea "technology" has eliminated hard labor from the trades en masse is ridiculous. Any successful tradesman works his arse off. Don't get me wrong, hard labor is great. Great for every now and then but everyday from 20-60yo is a tough road.
I will say one positive of blue collar is the character it builds if it doesn't tear you down. Something about living a hard life that makes for a much more interesting person than some boob that sells insurance his whole life and at 60 still has to call someone to fix his toilet.
And its not work ethic either. To be a successful plumber or engineer you both need to know how to put your nose to grindstone. Its the free market and it has decided that blue collar is middle of the employment rung.
People talk about a blue collar's hourly wage or quick $1500 job but you won't hear what they earn in the terms of total compensation. That being, health ins, matched 401k, Dental, 1/2 fica, PTO. Tons of blue collar are 1099 and have to fund all that stuff themselves. Hourly wages, annual wages or job pay is pretty useless without the whole story.
As far as the toll it takes on a body, walk into any specialty supply house and observe both the physical (and mental) nature of the customers between the ages of 35-55. A real treat is the HVAC house in the middle of a heat wave. The idea "technology" has eliminated hard labor from the trades en masse is ridiculous. Any successful tradesman works his arse off. Don't get me wrong, hard labor is great. Great for every now and then but everyday from 20-60yo is a tough road.
I will say one positive of blue collar is the character it builds if it doesn't tear you down. Something about living a hard life that makes for a much more interesting person than some boob that sells insurance his whole life and at 60 still has to call someone to fix his toilet.
And its not work ethic either. To be a successful plumber or engineer you both need to know how to put your nose to grindstone. Its the free market and it has decided that blue collar is middle of the employment rung.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:35 am to Clames
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Pay is not the issue, younger people just have shite work ethic.
It's the idiots in government and schools. They cancelled shop class, brainwash students to think that college is the only thing to do after high school, allocate trillions in easy to get student loans while signaling the loans will be easy to pay off with increased earning power
Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:45 am to Clames
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younger people just have shite work ethic.
Sorry, I'd rather go chill in my air conditioned/heated office all day drinking espresso and Red Bulls and troubleshooting tech problems for old people who can't set up a printer or didn't restart their computer after an update.

Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:51 am to VictoryHill
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Sorry, I'd rather go chill in my air conditioned/heated office all day drinking espresso and Red Bulls and troubleshooting tech problems for old people who can't set up a printer or didn't restart their computer after an update.
You sound extremely talented and important.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 7:52 am to Turnblad85
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total compensation. That being, health ins, matched 401k, Dental, 1/2 fica, PTO. Tons of blue collar are 1099 and have to fund all that stuff themselve
These union dudes are retiring with full Pension.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:10 am to The Top G
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And spare me the plumbers make $300k a year argument.
My Godchild made close to 150k last year as a plumber. He works for someone, once he goes out on his own he'll male more.
He told me he gets workorders to change toilet seats and they charge a 1 hour minimum for it.
My cousin is a commercial electrician. He worked a job away last year for 7 months and made $141,000.
Money is out there to be made. Young adults just need to get after it.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:12 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Yep. The day I can can charge 300-400 per hour and keep business coming through the door is the day I'll become a mechanic. Until then I'll keep it as a weekend hobby.
This is a dumb take. No office job is paying this to be a frontline employee. You are only making this in an office to be in charge of people.
It’s no different on the job site. You could make that working a trades job by starting off as a plumber and then owning a plumbing company.
The plumbers that are in their 50s and 60s still literally laying pipe are the dumb ones. The smart guys barely get hair hands dirty in their 30s as they are running a crew, quoting jobs, or running a small business.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:14 am to CHEDBALLZ
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My Godchild made close to 150k last year as a plumber. He works for someone, once he goes out on his own he'll male more.
Most tradesmen make between 80-100k locally, but they only work 6-8 months a year. But they do work long days in summer.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:18 am to Arthur Bach
A guy I work with came in 30 minutes late last week because he had to go to his son’s apartment and help him hang a curtain rod. His son is 21 years old and 6’2”
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You sound extremely talented and important.
Well paid also with three weeks paid vacation, two weeks sick time, and remote work twice a week. I love me some me.
You enjoy that "manly" job that us younger people who "don't have any work ethic" are overqualified for.

Give me the chill job that pays more, that isn't wreaking havoc on my joints and back, and has weekends and holidays off instead of being the on-call plumber on Christmas Eve to go unclog your toilet after you flush tampons down it like a moron.
Oh, and how are those boots tasting Roger? Find any cops to fawn over lately?
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:32 am to SaintsTiger
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It's the idiots in government and schools. They cancelled shop class, brainwash students to think that college is the only thing to do after high school, allocate trillions in easy to get student loans while signaling the loans will be easy to pay off with increased earning power
So true. When I was a high school student in the 80's our school provided several trades classes ( welding, auto repair, etc.).
About 10 years ago our local school district built a new high school. They did not include any vo-tech classrooms in the plans because they did away with those programs over the years since I graduated. This was due to the push for all students to go to college that dominated the past 25 years or so in public education.
Fast forward a few years after the new high school opened and CTE is now being pushed heavily in the education world for those who aren't necessarily college material. So, the district has now spent a few million to buy property across from the new high school, tear down the building that was on that property, and build a CTE center to provide vocational programs to those students that want to go that route.
Glad to see they are once again seeing the value of providing this type of education but wonder why they ever decided to get rid of it in the first place. Our community is an industrial based economy and there was no reason to ever do away with vocational training. Just so short sighted.
Posted on 1/21/23 at 8:38 am to redneck hippie
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A guy I work with came in 30 minutes late last week because he had to go to his son’s apartment and help him hang a curtain rod. His son is 21 years old and 6’2”
Hanging a curtain rod is a two-person job. And it's best if the second person is not your wife.
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