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re: there are NO consequences in school anymore at all, it is a joke
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:26 am to Dadren
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:26 am to Dadren
We have a similar issue. Our son can't be bothered at times to make sure his school work is finished and turned in during class or finished as homework that night. They aren't assigned homework so it sounds pretty easy to me... we check his grades and constantly find zeroes and when questioned, he says he gets distracted in class and then forgets to bring the necessary texts to finish the work at home. It used to blow my mind but he gets decent grades every 9 weeks because the teachers allow the students to turn in work late for basically full credit. He has been conditioned to not care about turning his stuff in on time.
I was never allowed to turn in work late for anything better than half credit, and I quickly learned about deadlines and having to walk a tightrope the rest of the period to make A's. There is nothing like that now.
I was never allowed to turn in work late for anything better than half credit, and I quickly learned about deadlines and having to walk a tightrope the rest of the period to make A's. There is nothing like that now.
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:28 am to 03 West CoChamps
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This is a hugely flawed line of thinking. In life cops/bosses provide consequences. Schools should be preparing kids for life.
The hell it is. That is how you teach respect and respecting authority. Why would a kid respect a teacher if the parent didn't teach it? Why would a kid care about being at school and learning if the parent didn't teach it.
It ALL starts with parents and the idiocrasy of thinking it is other people/institution/government's responsibility to teach these things are THE BIGGEST PROBLEM with all of this.
Teachers should never have to discipline anyone other than report to the parents what the kids did that was a problem. The parents are the ones who should be dealing with it an correcting it.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:31 am to Dadren
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The problem with this is that I have to punish my kid for late work in spite of the fact that she got an A.
Newsflash, you are responsible to make sure your kid is learning everything they need to because modern schools aren't going to do it. They will pass anyone. The parents have to hold their kids to higher standards.
On a tangential note, this is why we homeschool our kids in elementary. When they get to middle school they are in a position to learn from teachers who are putting forth only the minimum effort and can be mostly self reliant to learn.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:39 am to el Gaucho
quote:welcome to today. Have you been out of the house? Incompetence is the norm.
Now that all kids are “on the spectrum” and can’t be held accountable I look forward to the day when it applies to adults
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:40 am to notsince98
quote:you don’t want me deciding what is necessary and what isn’t. I see about 70% of my kids school work as something I vaguely remember yet never used.
you are responsible to make sure your kid is learning everything they need to
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:42 am to LSUguy2023
Some institutions still have consequences for poor actions. Jesuit expelled their top wrestler and their best rugby player within a month of each other for cheating. Even though both teams suffered greatly, their internal guidelines were followed.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:44 am to subotic
quote:bingo. I have resigned myself that he will continue to work the system. We rail on him about it, but he knows how to do just enough to get a good grade. They all do.
He has been conditioned to not care about turning his stuff in on time.
quote:mine just says the teacher hadn’t graded it yet.
we check his grades and constantly find zeroes and when questioned, he says he gets distracted in class and then forgets to bring the necessary texts to finish the work at home.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:48 am to subotic
For kids that are doing well academically the consequences are perhaps higher than ever. Just to get into a good state school requires approx 4.5 core GPA. Meaning AP and honors courses and hardly any B along the way. Out HS is pushing freshman into AP electives, honors is the norm and many have 2 years of HS math and a foreign language credit entering HS. Still, if they stumble and get a few Bs hopes of getting into a decent university are down the drain. I can see why some teachers give them a bit of leeway. I'm extremely worried for my son as he enters HS with little room for error. He hasnt learned to be organized and meet suspenses (something I struggled w through college) but if he slips up college admissions are much less forgiving nowadays. In fact, one late assignment in Jr high has already impacted his HS core GPA.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:49 am to LSUguy2023
Maybe for some, but my kids will have hell to pay from me if any of that happened.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:58 am to KyleOrtonsMustache
My brother is a teacher. He had a kid attend school for 25 days the school year, did no homework or take tests. He gave him an F which was changed to a C by the office. He went to the principal to question and was told,
" No child left behind."
" No child left behind."
Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:58 am to LSUguy2023
remember what age group is in charge. Stop blaming others
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:02 am to LSUguy2023
If you want to blame the school for your child's failures then I pretty sure they will turn around and blame you later.
Parents should be involved in their child's growth not abdicate responsibility to the government because you've had a long day and are tired. School systems are a reflection of the parents. If your neighbors/friends can't fuss at your child for being a entitled, lazy brat then how in the world do you think a school system can? Boogles the mind... Culture of helicopter parenting is why the school are the way the are and will remain that way until/unless parenting culture changes.
Parents should be involved in their child's growth not abdicate responsibility to the government because you've had a long day and are tired. School systems are a reflection of the parents. If your neighbors/friends can't fuss at your child for being a entitled, lazy brat then how in the world do you think a school system can? Boogles the mind... Culture of helicopter parenting is why the school are the way the are and will remain that way until/unless parenting culture changes.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:08 am to LSUguy2023
Nice melt. The rules today on any of this are no different than they were decades ago.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:13 am to subotic
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He has been conditioned to not care about turning his stuff in on time.
This becomes a circular argument very quickly. What are you doing to condition him that he needs to put in effort and value his education? You see he has zeros, he a gives bullshite explanation and you let him get away with that? You get to set the standard for your child in your household.
The reality of the school's responsibility vs. parent's responsibility argument is that you have 1 kid to worry about, the teacher has god knows how many parents to worry about (unfortunately).
Most teachers and schools would love for parents to take an active constructive role in their child's education. Unfortunately they have to account for a growing number of parents who are only active to complain.
Parents went from being "helicopter" parents to being stealth bombers. Showing up out of nowhere just to frick shite up.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:13 am to notsince98
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Newsflash, you are responsible to make sure your kid is learning everything they need to because modern schools aren't going to do it.
Yeah, no kidding. I just said that.
The point is that it’s dumb, it hasn’t always been like that, and it doesn’t have to be.
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On a tangential note, this is why we homeschool our kids in elementary.
That’s great. If you own a home, you also pay property taxes that go to the local schools that the vast majority of kids in your community will go to.
Do you have a problem with your dollars going to a system that allows 12th graders to go into the world thinking deadlines don’t matter and that they’ll get multiple do-overs when they mess up? Or is it all good as long as your kids are getting theirs?
This post was edited on 5/8/25 at 10:25 am
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:23 am to LSUfan4444
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For the life of me I am trying to see how this is a bad thing? One of the main objectives of school is to educate. That's the first mission. Not only should they be allowed to complete all work to count towards their grade, it should be a requirement before being allowed to come back.
What's the point of turning in homework if there's no deadline that is enforceable?
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:24 am to LSUguy2023
What you're saying is probably true, but you're supposed to make this big rant on r/teachers, not on tigerdroppings.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:27 am to Tiger99999
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Parents should be involved in their child's growth not abdicate responsibility to the government because you've had a long day and are tired.
If we were talking about a public school system that was less concerned about equity, social justice, liberal woke teachers and teachers unions only interested in themselves and actually interested in educating, I would agree with you.
As it stands now the majority of public school districts have agendas other than education.
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:41 am to Tiger99999
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helicopter parenting is why the school are the way the are
quote:which is it?
Parents should be involved in their child's growth not abdicate responsibility to the government
Posted on 5/8/25 at 10:41 am to subotic
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We have a similar issue. Our son can't be bothered at times to make sure his school work is finished and turned in during class or finished as homework that night. They aren't assigned homework so it sounds pretty easy to me... we check his grades and constantly find zeroes and when questioned, he says he gets distracted in class and then forgets to bring the necessary texts to finish the work at home. It used to blow my mind but he gets decent grades every 9 weeks because the teachers allow the students to turn in work late for basically full credit. He has been conditioned to not care about turning his stuff in on time.
Believe it or not, you are complicit.
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