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re: Theo Vonn’s recent podcast about boys and men
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:29 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:29 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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That’s because their kids aren’t very good, yet they still lug them all over the southeast for years
False. You can still be good and valuable member of a baseball team and not get a scholarship.
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Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:33 am to CocomoLSU
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You can do any number of those kinds of things to bond with your kid and not be in travel ball.
Exactly. The travel ball parents are the ones yelling at their kid while he plays travel ball and saying he’s not playing good enough. A lot of them are real shitty to their child bc they expect their child to get an athletic scholarship
Most of those parents aren’t watching their kids play to just show them love and attention and spend time with them
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:34 am to Roughneck2020
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All of you dads who want to go play golf on the weekends with friends or go hunting and fishing with buddies or get home from work and sit on the couch and drink beer and play video games or watch tv and veg out need to work on making your children better at something so they don’t end up feeling useless or worthless.
You promote travel ball as the end all be all but put down spending time in the outdoors with your children? Travel ball has ruined a lot of kids love of baseball.
Spending time hunting and fishing with your kids is an age old proven way to raise healthy, stable kids.
There is also nothing wrong spending a little time playing video games with your kids or watching a tv show you and your kids enjoy. Everything in moderation is ok. Making your child hyper focus on one activity can be a big problem.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:34 am to Hangover Haven
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Holy wall of text there Batman!
You mean the minute it took to read that?
Peoples attention spans are fricked these days
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:39 am to Oilfieldbiology
That’s why I said
I put in the details to illustrate what extraordinary lengths my dad went to to make one of the most special father/ daughter events of my life. But it wasn’t necessary and detracted from the point of how important it is for fathers to spend time with their children.
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All you really need is any old fishing pole, some shiners, and a good shoreline or rented boat.
I put in the details to illustrate what extraordinary lengths my dad went to to make one of the most special father/ daughter events of my life. But it wasn’t necessary and detracted from the point of how important it is for fathers to spend time with their children.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 9:53 am to Roughneck2020
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Roughneck2020
A tip for OP and other posters trying to instigate a serious conversation: using specific examples in your post always derails the thread. It's probably going to be derailed anyway, but people struggle to engage with nuance when something more obvious is there to focus on.
For example, the masculinity issue is a much needed topic of conversation; however, OP used travel ball as an example and now the majority of the thread is about travel ball.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:09 am to Roughneck2020
You took that serious subject to argue about what people criticize about travel ball?
First of all, there are a thousand ways other than travel ball to avoid your kid from feeling like he's "worthless". One problem a lot of us see with that whole scene is that too many take it too seriously and make it their life, and are possibly setting their kid up for that same inner demon when he isn't able to continue the ride after travel ball because he isn't quite good enough. That's a generalization, though. I do commend the parents who do it to spend time with their kids.
It would have been a better point if you had the suicide rate of kids that don't play travel ball and those that do.
"He stated that the suicide rate in males under age 20 has increased 40% since 2010" Hmmm, seems like its concurrent to the explosion of travel ball in this country
First of all, there are a thousand ways other than travel ball to avoid your kid from feeling like he's "worthless". One problem a lot of us see with that whole scene is that too many take it too seriously and make it their life, and are possibly setting their kid up for that same inner demon when he isn't able to continue the ride after travel ball because he isn't quite good enough. That's a generalization, though. I do commend the parents who do it to spend time with their kids.
It would have been a better point if you had the suicide rate of kids that don't play travel ball and those that do.
"He stated that the suicide rate in males under age 20 has increased 40% since 2010" Hmmm, seems like its concurrent to the explosion of travel ball in this country
This post was edited on 2/27/25 at 10:16 am
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:22 am to The Third Leg
quote:youth sports are so much different than when I was in them in the W and Obama administrations
It grosses me out how much parents have ruined sports for kids—organized everything, dads super involved
All of the brightly colored matching gear, flashy sunglasses, names on jerseys, etc
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:32 am to el Gaucho
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Engineering is the quintessential “used to be a good job”, now it’s a “roommates at 30” job
You're 100% wrong.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:34 am to el Gaucho
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I think the kids are doing it because the American dream is dead. The only way for a kid to make a living these days is to go pro otherwise they’ll be working at Starbucks and renting with 5 roommates the rest of their life
My son went to LSU, got an engineering degree, and now has a wife, two kids, and the wife doesn’t work. They pinch pennies, but they are enjoying life. He has a friend who couldn’t make it in college. He is a small time contractor who is also doing great.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 10:36 am to soccerfüt
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I’d be despondent if I had to read all that, no matter what age I was.
Reading a paragraph makes you despondent?
The Star Wars scrawl must have sent you into hysterics.
"Hurr Durr I had to read words on a text-based website!"
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:15 am to DakIsNoLB
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You're 100% wrong.
No im not
I know probably 10 30s ish engineers that live with roommates in a rent house
You just know your kid
Idk how boomers still have their heads in the sand about how the younger generations were born into serfdom. I’m just thankful I was born a millenial and can still remember the good times even if they were almost 20 years ago
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:22 am to Penrod
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has a wife
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They pinch pennies
Uh oh
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:30 am to el Gaucho
It's not about the travel ball.
It's about young males being forced to sit behind a desk for 8-hours a day being nagged to death by some blue-haired beast.
Makes kids start to wonder if it's worth even going forward at all.
It's about young males being forced to sit behind a desk for 8-hours a day being nagged to death by some blue-haired beast.
Makes kids start to wonder if it's worth even going forward at all.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:52 am to Roughneck2020
I listened to a couple of Theo Von podcasts recently, one of them with Joe Rogen, and it was identical to the conversations I would have in 1979 at the smoke hole at school....the designated student smoking section where the stoners and other assorted ne'er do wells would gather and smoke while pontificating on matters of great import despite their limited grasp of the subject matter and extremely limited intellectual abilities. Rogen is interested at times if for no other reason than insanity is often highly interesting, Von on the other hand came off as vapid and boorish....the kind of shite one often finding themselves having to endure should one frick around and decide to take a flight on Spirit airlines. I am not certain what Von does for a living or how it is he came about doing a podcast but it has to be incredibly unimpressive....
Posted on 2/27/25 at 11:54 am to Roughneck2020
Some of the best conversation my dad and I have had are in the car coming back or to a ballgame, throwing a baseball in the yard or working in the yard. At 43 if I’m pissed at the family over something or issue arises, we take a trip let if all out.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:03 pm to soccerfüt
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Holy wall of text there Batman! I’d be despondent if I had to read all that, no matter what age I was.
Don’t be an arse. He was 100% correct with what he said and if more fathers filled the advice he laid out their would be more well adjusted young men out there and not as many shitheads like you.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:19 pm to el Gaucho
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No im not
I know probably 10 30s ish engineers that live with roommates in a rent house
Oh, good. If that's the benchmark I know 10 of the same that aren't doing that, so I have just as much authority on this matter as you do.
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You just know your kid
I like to think I do, but they aren't old enough to have a profession.
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Idk how boomers still have their heads in the sand about how the younger generations were born into serfdom. I’m just thankful I was born a millenial and can still remember the good times even if they were almost 20 years ago
Haha. No, I'm not a boomer. Yes, I rented without roommates and lived cheap as possible until I managed to buy my first house 10 years ago even after getting divorced and floating my parents to the tune $8k during the housing crisis in 2008. I had some student loan debt but busted my arse to keep scholarships to limte that as much as possible and then busted arse to pay if off quickly so I could save.
It sounds like the 10 kids you know didn't do a good job avoiding debt in school and then didn't do a good job paying it down as quick as possible. 30s-ish means having 10 years to get a handle on things, and they aren't. That's a "them" problem barring major life changing circumstances.
I'm in civil engineering and I know the salaries these kids are demanding and getting. The woe is me mentality is falling flat with me.
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:26 pm to DakIsNoLB
I’m just saying 100k a year is 60k a year 10 years ago
If the starting wage for a job was 60k 10 years ago it may be 70k now if you’re lucky
If the starting wage for a job was 60k 10 years ago it may be 70k now if you’re lucky
Posted on 2/27/25 at 12:31 pm to el Gaucho
It’s hilarious that people still think high 5/low 6 figures is “great” in 2025
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