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re: Thefts of charging cables pose yet another obstacle to appeal of electric vehicles

Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am to
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:52 am to
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Yep, I got a Hybrid in December, and my gas budget has dropped off the cliff. For sure, it's the way to go.


Im extremely uneducated when it comes to EVs/Hybrids etc.

What is the battery life of the Hybrid in comparison to a full on EV? I know one of the major complaints about EVs are the charging to capacity decreases over time and eventually you will need to buy an entire new battery. That said, is that a decade?

The fuel drop off is awesome and immediate, but how much of a ballon knot shot do you take down the road if the battery needs replacing?
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 9:55 am to
a little ac on the dc might help
Posted by doublecutter
Member since Oct 2003
7154 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:00 am to
A friend works for a major pharmaceutical company. As they replace company cars, they are going to Tesla sedans. The company is paying to install a charging station at his house and giving him a monthly stipend to pay for his increased electricity bill.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18093 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:04 am to
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What is the battery life of the Hybrid in comparison to a full on EV? I know one of the major complaints about EVs are the charging to capacity decreases over time and eventually you will need to buy an entire new battery. That said, is that a decade?


It depends on a lot of factors and the car. A regular hybrid has a very small battery that basically is no different than sticking a couple deep cycle batteries in a car and they're just used for a little supplemental power. Those will last a while but these aren't cars that can cruise around on electric only.

A plug in hybrid EV can run on all electric because it has the fully electric drivetrain and ability to run with the engine off or at idle on only electric power.

Storage unit life is degraded by cycles and behavior. If you max charge all the time and cruise around on electric only power a lot you're going to wear it down. There's also only one manufacturer that actually has any decent storage unit degradation data outside of HALTs and thats Tesla. Those being full BEV obviously pose a worst case scenario due to the load and higher level charging some of them use and they're seeing capacity over 90% hold to well over 100k miles. That data is skewed a bit because those older cars have older battery tech and had inferior battery management software. Then there's the personal factor of how much the user can take before they need to repower.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 10:06 am
Posted by RolltidePA
North Carolina
Member since Dec 2010
5646 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:06 am to
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What is the battery life of the Hybrid in comparison to a full on EV? I know one of the major complaints about EVs are the charging to capacity decreases over time and eventually you will need to buy an entire new battery. That said, is that a decade?


That's very dependent on a lot of factors. But you should get several years of service out of a hybrid battery. Cost for replacement have come down massively as well. It used to be a $5k-$7k+ cost about 10 years ago, but you can get something like a Prius battery replaced for around $1,500-$2k now. You should easily get over 100k miles before needing to do that as well.

I'm very, very critical of pure EV's for many reasons, but hybrids are truly a great solution to all of the problems that government is pushing EVs to solve. Great mileage, less resources used and lower emissions. No range issues to boot and they rely on an establish infrastructure. Hybrids can be tuned to improve performance as well, filling gaps in power from the gas engine and supplementing it with electric power. Really a good solution for the actual issues at hand.
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 10:28 am to
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I'm very, very critical of pure EV's for many reasons, but hybrids are truly a great solution to all of the problems that government is pushing EVs to solve. Great mileage, less resources used and lower emissions. No range issues to boot and they rely on an establish infrastructure. Hybrids can be tuned to improve performance as well, filling gaps in power from the gas engine and supplementing it with electric power. Really a good solution for the actual issues at hand.


The Volvo Recharges with the Polestar tuning are really, really good. Fantastic gas mileage and will charge overnight on a regular 120 outlet. Can't use any of the Tesla superchargers, though, as plugs and charging systems are incompatible. The only public option, and there are plenty around, so it's not that big a deal, are the Chargepoint (at least around here) stations with the J1772 plug.
Posted by roadGator
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:07 am to
I drive a special version of a ford explorer and it is hybrid.

However, it never really is in battery mode.

Only at start up and for a few seconds in a parking lot. Is that normal?
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18093 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:12 am to
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Only at start up and for a few seconds in a parking lot. Is that normal?

Yes, it has an incredibly small battery. 1.3kWh or so. Not much different that installing a couple extra batteries and a supplemental drive motor that can't do much.

Big difference between a hybrid and a plug in hybrid. The storage capacity and electric drive functionality are very different.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 11:30 am
Posted by roadGator
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158000 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:17 am to
It’s on so little I don’t even know why they bother.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18093 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 11:27 am to
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It’s on so little I don’t even know why they bother.

Minor boost in fuel economy from the supplemental power helps manufacturers hit fleet mpg EPA requirements. The fleets they sell them to have the benefits of reduced idle fuel consumption, which can be a lot. The last big fleet i managed we were spending 50-75k per week in excessive idling fuel consumption, so there is a legit economic impact. Then there's the whole, we can say we're going green with hybrids virtue signal.

I find those type of hybrids to be mostly a waste. PHEV is where it's at. And those are complimentary to BEV because they need the same supply chains and R&D.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 11:29 am
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37086 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:15 pm to
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Bought a hybrid instead getting great mpg and cut my gas budget in half.


Hybrid is the way.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42309 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:17 pm to
Serious question, who the hell is buying 6-10 feet of loose copper wire?
Posted by Chucktown_Badger
The banks of the Ashley River
Member since May 2013
37086 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:17 pm to
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A friend works for a major pharmaceutical company.


AZ?
Posted by MemphisGuy
Germantown, TN
Member since Nov 2023
14706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:37 pm to
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Serious question, who the hell is buying 6-10 feet of loose copper wire?

I mean...

What do you do?

"Yeah, I got these extra 500.... uhh... charging cables... that I no longer need. You see, I was going to build me some of them there Electric Car Filling Stations, and my plans have changed. Instead, I need some Meth. What will you give me for them?"
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17137 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:46 pm to
Charger manufacturers should run a loop of 240v through the cable. Power only goes out the plug when paid for but there is a loop of live voltage sitting there waiting for the thief.

insert "modernproblemsrequiremodernsolutions.gif"

Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
42309 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:11 pm to
While I 100% agree with you, OSHA would never allow that.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
18093 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:24 pm to
Gordan would be lined up for those lawsuits
Posted by TigerGman
Center of the Universe
Member since Sep 2006
14048 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:50 pm to
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The Volvo Recharges with the Polestar tuning are really, really good. Fantastic gas mileage and will charge overnight on a regular 120 outlet.


This is what I have, a Volvo plug-in Hybrid.
Posted by nes2010
Member since Jun 2014
7868 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 2:56 pm to
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Serious question, who the hell is buying 6-10 feet of loose copper wire?


Recycling centers.
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Member since Feb 2005
61834 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 8:31 pm to
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