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re: The US Dept. of Energy has beaten Bill Gates and Elon Musk to the holy grail.

Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11925 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
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Arpa-E was established by Obama's stimulus plan in 2009 to conduct research and speed along transformation into cleaner energy technologies. Well done, Barack!


Does Solyndra ring a bell?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175700 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:20 pm to
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Does Solyndra ring a bell?

There will of course be failures with such energy loan programs

But to ignore the progress is to wallow in eternal ignorance

Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:21 pm to
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Doesn't say much about the people here when positive news gets 54 downvotes and 3 upvotes


I said this in a previous post. There is no information given on the costs of this program. If Gates and Musk put $2B to research and haven't gotten there yet but the fed put $4B and did it, what would you say then? That is the real reason LA is crumbling financially. 99 times out of 100, the government doesn't use it's money/resources wisely.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11925 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:24 pm to
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There will of course be failures with such energy loan programs


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Solyndra received a $536 million U.S. Energy Department loan guarantee, the first recipient of a loan guarantee under President Barack Obama's economic stimulus program, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. Additionally, Solyndra received a $25.1 million tax break from California's Alternative Energy and Advanced Transportation Financing Authority.

Following the bankruptcy, the government was expected to recoup $27 million under the Solyndra restructuring plan, but no money was ever recovered.


$536 million is a pretty big failure to just accept as par for the course.
Posted by KLSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
11198 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:33 pm to
After reading that article I was just as informed as I was before I read it. Not at all...
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175700 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:38 pm to
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$536 million is a pretty big failure to just accept as par for the course.


Right

But again, are you even aware of any of the successes? Or just solyndra?
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:41 pm to
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But again, are you even aware of any of the successes?


Are you aware any of the successes? Honest question. And don't use the OP, as there is no information in that article.
Posted by Dan Bilzerian
..on my yacht or jet.
Member since Dec 2014
1864 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:43 pm to
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There's this wonderful thing called Google... search for NASA's innovations to start.


It's too bad Obama re-tasked them to Muslim outreach.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40350 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:48 pm to
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It's too bad Obama re-tasked them to Muslim outreach.


Fact.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175700 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:55 pm to
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Are you aware any of the successes? Honest question. And don't use the OP, as there is no information in that article.



Yes

Might want to look into the sunshot initiative

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Halfway into the decade-long SunShot Initiative, the nation is nearly 70% of the way to achieving SunShot’s affordability goal to make solar energy fully cost-competitive with traditional energy sources by 2020. Solar energy is one of the fastest growing industries in the United States, and 2014 was a record breaking year for solar – deployment was up 40% over 2013, employment was up 22% year-over-year to 174,000 total solar workers, and solar represented 32% of all new electric generating capacity in the U.S. There is now enough installed solar capacity in the United States to power the equivalent of four million average-sized American homes.

SunShot plays a crucial role in the growth of U.S. solar energy, partnering with more than 350 awardees to accomplish the goal of making solar cost-competitive with other forms of electricity by the end of the decade. Below are success stories from just a few of the SunShot partners. Select an awardee to learn more.


LINK

And while the information in the OP was vague, energy storage is one of the biggest problems with solar. If the breakthrough is as impressive as they claim it could help further the success that solar energy is having worldwide.
Posted by WhoDatNC
NC
Member since Dec 2013
14500 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 1:59 pm to
but can it make my wifes prius go faster?
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40350 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:00 pm to
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Solar energy is one of the fastest growing industries in the United States, and 2014 was a record breaking year for solar – deployment was up 40% over 2013, employment was up 22% year-over-year to 174,000 total solar workers, and solar represented 32% of all new electric generating capacity in the U.S


I'm going to print this and put it in my garden. It is so much bullshite, I'll have palm trees by morning.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175700 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:01 pm to
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I'm going to print this and put it in my garden. It is so much bullshite, I'll have palm trees by morning.



Thankfully facts don't require you to believe in them
Posted by stevengtiger
Member since Jul 2013
2778 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:02 pm to
Giving tax breaks for people to buy a product doesn't really make a product a success. Without federal and state subsidies for residential solar power, it is no where near affordable. Are they on the right path? Absolutely but we are no where near making solar affordable.

Your link is from success stories from energy.gov.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40350 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:05 pm to
LOL.

Let me guess-you work in the industry.

The plain fact is that since the taxpayers are funding this bullshite, the panels are getting installed.

As soon as the subsidies dry up, those jobs disappear.
Without the subsidies, there isn't a business case for solar, in the typical residential world.
Posted by N2cars
Member since Feb 2008
40350 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:06 pm to
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my wifes


Pics of wife are required for speed diagnosis.

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
175700 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:13 pm to
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LOL.

Let me guess-you work in the industry.

Nope

Oil and gas

Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
19963 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:19 pm to
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Who says that government agencies are inept?


Anybody with a room temperature IQ.

Oh, it's Rex...
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
11925 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 2:40 pm to
Yes I am aware of the successes. Tesla is a great story and has paid back their loan in full. But you also have Fisker, Beacon Power and over a billion in defaulted loans. I personally don't believe the government should be in the business of picking winners and losers. Especially when they are haphazardly loaning money to companies whose investors happen to be major donors to the administration.

When things like the below story happen, I lose all faith the FEDGOVs ability to invest taxpayer dollars in these programs.

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American Greed recounted the story of Maryland RIN fraudster Rodney Hailey—and how he exploited EPA's broken RFS system by making a fortune out of selling millions of fake RINs between March 2009 and December 2010.

The scale of the fraud was astonishing. In less than two years, Hailey sold 32 million credits representing more than 21 million gallons of—as it turned out—absolutely nothing. His company, Clean Green Fuels, raked in $9 million. If he actually had been producing fuel, Clean Green Fuels would have been the third-largest producer of biofuel in the country.Equally astonishing was the lack of EPA oversight of its own program. When Hailey set up Clean Green Fuels and registered it with EPA, he said he was converting cooking oil collected from more than 2,500 restaurants and turning it into fuel. However, EPA approved the registration without bothering to inspect inspect Hailey's facility. Hailey realized very quickly that nobody from EPA was watching.

American Greed states that when asked, EPA said that Congress did not require or fund the inspection of new facilities, and it was up to the RIN buyers themselves to verify their sellers' authenticity—even though the buyers were using the list of sellers that had registered on EPA's own website. To make matters worse, EPA fined refiners for unknowingly purchasing these fraudulent RINs, and then adding insult to injury, required refiners to go back into the market and replace the fake RINs to stay in compliance! We’re aware of no other government program that penalizes the victims of fraud in this manner.


Posted by Bard
Definitely NOT an admin
Member since Oct 2008
60257 posts
Posted on 3/3/16 at 3:26 pm to
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Wow, so much detail on the technology side of things.

I'm gonna say 99% chance of this being complete and utter bullshite.

ETA: Also, the accomplishments they're claiming are so incredibly vague that they don't mean anything.


This. Even Donald Trump provides more specifics.
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