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re: The US Army looks to replace the M109 SP Howitzer, the Korean K9 may be their answer
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:22 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:22 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
Good info, thanks
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Posted on 5/2/26 at 7:27 pm to bountyhunter
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You're getting downvoted here but you are right. If our multi-billion dollar defense industry paid attention to the Nagorno-Karabakh War in 2020 and all of the lessons from the war in Ukraine, they should have logically concluded that conventional high-dollar mechanized solutions are nothing more than luxury coffins for conventional soldiers.
As I said on the last page, war without mechanized forces devolves into 1916-style attritional trench warfare without end as is happening in Ukraine today. Day after day of endless slaughter for no gain with the only end being eventual national exhaustion and collapse.
The problem isn’t that drones have made all other battlefield weapons systems obsolete; the problem is neither the Russians nor Ukrainians have the ability to develop and deploy effective countermeasures.
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I'm truly hoping the Pentagon at least has something to at least counter the drone threat, otherwise any endeavor in the future will simply cost more lives than what the American public will tolerate.
They are several steps ahead of you.
This is only one example, there are others.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 8:51 pm to Champagne
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Or perhaps there might be some doctrinal change or shift away from the battlefield missions that self propelled arty does towards what drones or other weapons can do just as well or better. Maybe the whole "Self Propelled Artillery armored fighting vehicle" concept is being de emphasized over concerns that it will one day in the foreseeable future be Obsolete.
I'm sitting here trying to think of a target that can't be hit more efficiently with a drone than artillery. Everything from anti armor to scattering landmines to dispersed infantry, the drones are on it while the arty is still setting up and trying to shield itself from the other side's drones. When Ukraine started I thought drones would usher in a new kind of warfare but I didn't foresee them completely owning the battlespace.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 9:28 pm to TheRealTigerHorn
Won’t be any less susceptible to drones but will be a shitload cheaper and faster to produce. Which is what you need when a human won’t be in it driving which will be soon.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 5/2/26 at 10:14 pm to Jim Rockford
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I'm sitting here trying to think of a target that can't be hit more efficiently with a drone than artillery. Everything from anti armor to scattering landmines to dispersed infantry, the drones are on it while the arty is still setting up and trying to shield itself from the other side's drones. When Ukraine started I thought drones would usher in a new kind of warfare but I didn't foresee them completely owning the battlespace.
All of this may be true but in my opinion drone warfare has nothing to do with switching from the Paldin to the K9.
If you look at the capabilities and compare it to the Crusader you will see that this is similar to model that the Army envisioned and was trying to move to back in the 1990's.
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Capability Comparison
Weight & Mobility: The K9 is a ~47-ton tracked vehicle capable of 67 km/h. The Crusader was intended to be much heavier (over 50 tons), designed to move with tanks, but its weight caused significant logistical concerns.
Firepower & Range: The K9 uses an L52 155mm barrel, with a standard range of 30-40 km and up to 50 km with rocket-assisted projectiles. The Crusader was designed to have a superior sustained firing rate with a higher degree of automation (6-8 rounds per minute was the target) and intended for longer-range precision fire, though the K9 matches or exceeds its planned rate of fire with modern variants.
Rate of Fire: The K9 can deliver a 3-round burst in 15 seconds and sustain 6-8 rounds per minute. The Crusader was aimed at extremely high levels of automation.
Targeting: Both feature advanced digital fire control systems capable of Multiple Rounds Simultaneous Impact (MRSI), where multiple shells hit the same target at the same time.
Survivability: The K9 provides protection against small arms and artillery splinters. The Crusader was planned to have heavier armor.Status: The K9 is operational, manufactured in high volume, and used by many nations. The Crusader never entered service.
This post was edited on 5/2/26 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 5/2/26 at 10:35 pm to bountyhunter
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Meanwhile our former Secretary of thr Navy's (a buddy of our infalable orange idiot) main contribution was the concept of the Trump Class Battleship.
I can't tell if you're being silly or not?
A battle ship covered in CIWS and firing a propelled shell is a hypersonic platform with great defense that can laugh off any actual drone hits.
Don't believe me? Go tour and see how many ciws were installed and how many you could actually fit.
Posted on 5/2/26 at 10:53 pm to Darth_Vader
The Korean K9 has a leg up on most other self-propelled howitzers.
Posted on 5/3/26 at 7:03 am to Darth_Vader
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Also, it has an autoloader that will increase the rate of fire.
I thought this was verboten in the armor corps?
Posted on 5/4/26 at 9:09 am to TygerLyfe
Yes but the B-52 has been continually modified and is finally getting the new engines it should have had 20 years ago.
Posted on 5/10/26 at 1:14 pm to Darth_Vader
Thank you for this very thorough and detailed response. Quite informative
Posted on 5/10/26 at 1:41 pm to elprez00
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I thought this was verboten in the armor corps?
It is. But Howitzers are artillery, not armor.
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