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re: The tale of two tragedies; Orlando and Istanbul
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:12 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:12 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Why the frick does this designation even matter?
well for one, it kinda makes it a bit more frightening and illustrates the power of social media and the internet to push a message
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:13 am to Salmon
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Which I guess you could believe that our government is hiding that from us
I would guess that the gov isn't excited about disclosing what they found on his computers, emails, etc.
I'm not saying he was trained by ISIS but I wouldn't be surprised if he was in contact with some level of ISIS here and or abroad.
That's why these mosques need infiltrated. I firmly believe that we are allowing the radicalization to happen right here while giving them tax breaks to do it.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:13 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Why the frick does this designation even matter?
It doesn't.
I'm saying there is a difference in the attackers in the incidents.
One was "inspired" by ISIS, the others were likely ISIS operatives who received actual training and resources from ISIS.
Some of y'all immediately see red and can't have a simple, open-minded discussion on anything. Jesus.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:14 am to doubleb
Well I give you credit. At least you arent trying to push agenda that Orlando was a false flag to speed up
Process of them taking our guns
Process of them taking our guns
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:15 am to Salmon
So you agree then.
Why are people talking about his dad? about non-affiliation? about his citizenry?
He was an ISIS/ISIL terrorist. period, no debate. none of the other talking points matter
Why are people talking about his dad? about non-affiliation? about his citizenry?
He was an ISIS/ISIL terrorist. period, no debate. none of the other talking points matter
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:16 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:16 am to notiger1997
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Well I give you credit. At least you arent trying to push agenda that Orlando was a false flag to speed up
Process of them taking our guns
It's not a false flag but it will certainly be taken advantage of.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:16 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Why are people talking about his dad? about non-affiliation? about his citizenry?
we normally dissect the person that commits acts like this, no?
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He was an ISIS/ISIL terrorist. period, no debate
Sure. I don't think saying that he had no direct contact with ISIS somehow devalues the act.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:16 am to Salmon
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There was no evidence of it...
lol. Yeah, you investigated the crime I assume?
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Which I guess you could believe that our government is hiding that from us, but then I don't know why they would release 911 tape where he pledged alliance with ISIS
lol, yeah, they were real open about releasing the tapes, completely, and with nothing censored.
The truth of the matter is, we KNOW for a FACT that the killer did the crime in the name of ISIS, and that ISIS took responsibility for it publicly.
To say it's 100% certain that he had no contact whatsoever with anyone associated with ISIS, because the MSM and Obama administration report that is your right. But to state it as a fact? Reveals clearly a political bias and in the very least, disingenous.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:18 am to Festus
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The truth of the matter is, we KNOW for a FACT that the killer did the crime in the name of ISIS, and that ISIS took responsibility for it publicly.
To say it's 100% certain that he had no contact whatsoever with anyone associated with ISIS, because the MSM and Obama administration report that is your right. But to state it as a fact? Reveals clearly a political bias and in the very least, disingenous.
I just don't know why they would release one and not the other...?
Because honestly, the "home grown lone wolf" narrative is more frightening
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:18 am to doubleb
Gun only VS gun/suicide bombers
More sex appeal with vest bombs?
More sex appeal with vest bombs?
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:19 am to Salmon
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Sure. I don't think saying that he had no direct contact with ISIS somehow devalues the act.
That's exactly what it does. It is the reason why the talking heads keep brining it up. Their goal is to try to distance the attacker from the organization.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:19 am to CoachChappy
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Fair point; however, I've never been to the Vatican, yet I am Catholic
This is fricking moronic unless the Pope were to institute another Crusade on the Holy Land. How are you really this blind to the differences?
One was self-radicalized while the others were trained by ISIS and sent into Turkey with directives from ISIS. One's motivations are hazy while the others' are clear. There is a massive difference between the two events, not the least of which are the targets.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:20 am to Festus
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To say it's 100% certain that he had no contact whatsoever with anyone associated with ISIS,
again stop this. This is exactly what they want people to argue about. Contact makes no difference. It is a distraction talking point.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:21 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:21 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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That's exactly what it does
does it for you?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:21 am to Salmon
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I just don't know why they would release one and not the other...?
I don't know either. Which is why I never state things as though they are certain, or a fact, when it's impossible to know that. I state it as an opinion.
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Because honestly, the "home grown lone wolf" narrative is more frightening
I can see that being your opinion. But there's at least an argument to be made that if there are in fact terrorist cells operating within the U.S., and linked with ISIS, that are pushing these "lone wolf" attacks, that pretty frightening.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:22 am to Salmon
why'd you choose to leave out the rest of what I said
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:23 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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That's exactly what it does. It is the reason why the talking heads keep brining it up. Their goal is to try to distance the attacker from the organization
And they should. It lends less credence to ISIS and highlights the issues we face on the homefront (i.e. self-radicalization, homophobia, and mental health).
Why the frick would you empower ISIS by saying it was them that, by extension of the Orlando killer, massacred 50 gay men on American soil?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:23 am to LoveThatMoney
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One was self-radicalized while the others were trained by ISIS and sent into Turkey with directives from ISIS. One's motivations are hazy while the others' are clear. There is a massive difference between the two events, not the least of which are the targets.
I guess you've never heard of ISIS sending internet messages out to the world calling to radicalise Muslims and generate these kinds of attacks.This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:23 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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why'd you choose to leave out the rest of what I said
because I agree with it somewhat
I just don't think it is working, so I wanted to know if you it was working on you
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:24 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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again stop this.
I won't stop from giving my opinion when someone states something as a fact, when it's impossible to know if it's a fact. Quit acting like an admin and if you don't like what's being discussed, stfu and start your own thread and RA me if I respond. Jesus.
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