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re: The story of my friend's murder & his Dad's fight for justice turned into Netflix Doc.

Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:49 pm to
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
5124 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 12:49 pm to
Besides Purdue Pharma another entity that was responsible for the opioid crises is the Joint Commission for Accreditation of Hospitals (JCAH).JCAH came up with the concept of pain as the “5th vital sign”,”pain is what the patient says it is”,.Hospitals are terrified of JCAH,without accreditation they are ineligible for Medicare reimbursement.
Some of the literature we received “educating” us on pain management was found to be written by Purdue Pharma.
The hospital I worked for had a “clipboard nurse” that went around checking our charts and quizzing patients to try and determine if their pain was being adequately controlled.Woe be it for any nurse whose patient claimed to have any pain.Doctors were “counseled” if it was felt they were not addressing patients pain levels adequately.
Therefore,many patients were given excessive doses of narcotics because nurses didn’t want to lose their jobs,Doctors didn’t want their name on a list to be reviewed by JCAH.
Somebody on JCAH staff ,if not JCAH itself was obviously benefitting from Putdue Pharma largesse.
West Virginia filed suit against JCAH as well as Purdue Pharma.
JCAH,of course, denied having any culpability.Those of us that were “in the trenchs know better.Much more emphasis was placed on pain management than other important areas such as infection control.
I was not an ogre that wanted patients to suffer,I occasionally had to talk patients into taking pain meds because I could tell they were in pain but afraid of narcotics for fear of becoming addicted.At the same time I didn’t appreciate being forced into giving narcotics to patients that were obviously comfortable but insisted their pain was 10( scale of 0-10).
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
39566 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:02 pm to
I remember for the longest time the running funny comment about having surgery was “at least you get the good pain pills” said with zero intent towards actual drug use or addiction. People just didn’t know any differently and trusted what they had been prescribed.

That’s the craziest aspect of the whole issue to me, not as much people that had long before chosen the drug addiction lifestyle, but those otherwise normal upright people who got hooked through seemingly-innocent pain treatment and it led them down the path.
Posted by southside
SW of Monroe
Member since Aug 2018
647 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:19 pm to
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That’s the craziest aspect of the whole issue to me, not as much people that had long before chosen the drug addiction lifestyle, but those otherwise normal upright people who got hooked through seemingly-innocent pain treatment and it led them down the path.



Regular ole dad has shoulder surgery and and 3 months later he's buying pain killers from some random dude behind the daiquiri shop. Happened to a lot of folk. Snuck up on ya arse if you weren't ready.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 1:49 pm to
10 years ago there were signs in the actual hospital rooms saying something like, "You don't have to be in pain." I remember that.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 1:50 pm
Posted by I B Freeman
Member since Oct 2009
27843 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:28 pm to
I remember that.

The opiod crises is really unbelievable. The numbers of prescriptions being written in some Louisiana Parishes per 100 people per year is over 100 according to the CDC.

We need to immediately end the payments for opiod prescriptions by medicaid. That may or may not help much but you have to think if the biggest purchaser of opioids in Louisiana (may be second to medicare) quit paying for them and made users come up with their own cash that it would have some impact.

I don't know what to do with all the addicts. We know one that woman would literally live in ditch and take heroin or opioids of any kind than to use her money to feed and house herself.
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 2:47 pm to
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I really feel Purdue pharma and ther Sackler family should be held financially culpable for the epidemic.

as a former addict I don't blame Purdue Pharma for my issues. I brought them all on myself. Every addict does. Do not feel sorry for them.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:03 pm to
Meh...a lot of people just didn't know the dangers. They would get them after surgery or to handle a disc problem and after a couple months they are hooked or their body became dependent on it.

You don't realize how much in deep **** you are until you don't take a pill one day and you start going through withdrawal. You could have been taking them as prescribed the whole time.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 3:04 pm
Posted by TigerChief10
Member since Dec 2012
10858 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:08 pm to
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You don't realize how much in deep **** you are until you don't take a pill one day and you start going through withdrawal. You could have been taking them as prescribed the whole time.

That's not an excuse. If anything that should be a wakeup call that you need to get off that shite.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 3:19 pm to
Most people don't know that's what happens if you take it for a certain length of time.

Also, what do you expect non-surgical candidates to do then? What if nothing works? Some people have no choice other then taking medication to live a halfway normal life.
This post was edited on 1/17/20 at 3:21 pm
Posted by cdaniel76
Ponchatoula
Member since Feb 2008
19783 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 4:15 pm to
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Did ya ever sell your house?


Still on the market

Interested?
Posted by PokerPlayingTiger
Member since Jan 2007
2745 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 4:21 pm to
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cdaniel76


Thanks for heads up. Just set my Netflix reminder for when it is released.
Posted by Got Blaze
Youngsville
Member since Dec 2013
10199 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 7:06 pm to
I’ll definitely watch this series as my profession deals with the pain management field.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33959 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:39 pm to
quote:

I really feel Purdue pharma and ther Sackler family should be held financially culpable for the epidemic.


Or someone should have gone to jail.

Posted by tigergirl10
Member since Jul 2019
10764 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 8:49 pm to
Medicaid isn't the real issue, because Medicaid doesn't cover pain management. It's the people paying with cash that are the main problem.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5923 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 9:18 pm to
I’ve been in recovery 14 years and a pain patient for 12 and I disagree.

I’ve known dozens of people that died from overdoses and hundreds of others that are addicted. There’s a very very small percentage of these people that fit the media’s mold of “innocent guy/girl had surgery and docs addicted them” type of history.

The streets are FLOODED with heroin from Mexico. It usually has some derivative of fentanyl for potency. Where’s the outrage about the cartels? Where’s Trump bashing the Mexican government for allowing cartels to exist? Because they are the real killers here
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
14080 posts
Posted on 1/17/20 at 11:10 pm to
Just read this article. Know a girl who lost her brother from OD. I never realized that opioids were that big of a deal until recently even though I heard crooked politicians mention the issue.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 12:57 am to
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Meh...a lot of people just didn't know the dangers.



horsefrickingshit

Anyone who claims they do or did not know opiods were addictive is either is lying or has a single didgit IQ.

Any medical proffesional that makes this claim should be stripped of their license immediatly.

Posted by Finch
Member since Jun 2015
3768 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 2:05 am to
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Drug company (should notice odd purchase patterns)


You were 100% right until this part

Drug companies track pills sold to pharmacies, not who the prescriptions are filled for or to
Posted by MSTiger33
Member since Oct 2007
21755 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 5:41 am to
I was a pharmacist in New Orleans East at a small independent pharmacy during this time. While we had a few junkie doctors, Cleggett was by far the worse. I finally had the pharmacy owner agree to stop filling her prescriptions because the overwhelming majority of the patients were addicts and pushers.

Cleggett actually called once to say that I was breaking the law by not filling her prescriptions and threatened to call the Board and file a complaint as well as send the cops to the pharmacy. I told her the DC of the 8th District and his son in law ran the security detail at the pharmacy so feel free to call NOPD. She did neither.

Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 1/18/20 at 8:11 am to
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Never understood people being addicted to xanax. It didn't make me feel any different. Just fell asleep after 30 min.


Same for me. I’m tired enough already. Don’t need a pill for that.

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