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re: The Recent Media Narrative of Racist/Bad Cops Is Attracting The Wrong People to Job
Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:45 am to STEVED00
Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:45 am to STEVED00
It was hard for larger departments even before all the George Floyd crap. Atlanta was short almost 400 officers in 2019 (they're supposed to have about 2050).
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Posted on 1/28/23 at 9:52 am to SUB
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I’d like to see data on police brutality to determine what direction it has been trending the last 10-20 years.
How does one track “brutality” but account for people being more likely to fight police? More people fighting police are more likely to catch some injuries while being escorted to a safer position on the ground.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:05 am to STEVED00
Just look at who the Memphis police chief is.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:14 am to STEVED00
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Police need people so they will hire who they can get at the moment so I’m assuming the bar has been lowered significantly to get people in the door.
This for sure. To me it needs to be more than just a "job" but I think way too many officers out there treat it as just a job. People need to WANT to be cops and do it for the right reasons. Its sort of why I thought of it even though I am 42.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:22 am to STEVED00
If it gets bad enough then there is justification to federalize all law enforcement.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:30 am to SUB
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Police brutality is more of a training and culture issue than it is a race issue
The problem is that a lot of this happens in poor urban areas which are usually areas with heavy black populations. This creates a massive imbalance in the number of black people being injured/killed by police. Whether or not you think this is a result of cops targeting poor black people or not the truth is that overall black people are receiving the worst treatment in part due to many living in urban areas. We also have instances like the war on drugs especially pot laws and crack laws specifically where despite being the same as powdered cocaine, crack is treated harsher.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:35 am to STEVED00
I don’t know. I’ve seen other people discuss training and I agree. But feel it can be negative too. The type of training I mean is physical fight training. Seems it would teach many not to use it so carelessly. It some it would be like having a new toy they couldn’t wait to try.
In addition maybe some hand to hand type training could show you who can’t handle it. If a sparring session causes some dude to flip his switch? Thanks for coming out. Resign or look at a career in something else within LEO.
These things keep happening. The most egregious are not using firearms. Something in these dudes heads is wrong. The main puncher looked like a pit bull going after a child or an old man. Circling until the vulnerable spot comes back around. Cops case was the guys face. Like a pit bull looking for a neck or dangling arm.
Chauvin. Say whatever about Floyd and drugs in his system. Doesn’t change the fact that he ground his knee into Floyd’s neck and appeared to enjoy it. Like going balls deep into badge bunnies snatch.
Other errors are technical and ignorant. Like use of chokes. A rear naked choke is very effective. To keep it clamped after the suspect goes down is called strangulation.
In addition maybe some hand to hand type training could show you who can’t handle it. If a sparring session causes some dude to flip his switch? Thanks for coming out. Resign or look at a career in something else within LEO.
These things keep happening. The most egregious are not using firearms. Something in these dudes heads is wrong. The main puncher looked like a pit bull going after a child or an old man. Circling until the vulnerable spot comes back around. Cops case was the guys face. Like a pit bull looking for a neck or dangling arm.
Chauvin. Say whatever about Floyd and drugs in his system. Doesn’t change the fact that he ground his knee into Floyd’s neck and appeared to enjoy it. Like going balls deep into badge bunnies snatch.
Other errors are technical and ignorant. Like use of chokes. A rear naked choke is very effective. To keep it clamped after the suspect goes down is called strangulation.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:38 am to STEVED00
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LEOs have always attracted the types that like the POWER of the position
Barney type, not Andy
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:40 am to STEVED00
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Police need people so they will hire who they can get at the moment so I’m assuming the bar has been lowered significantly to get people in the door.
To be honest it was never all that high to begin with.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:48 am to dawgfan24348
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The problem is that a lot of this happens in poor urban areas which are usually areas with heavy black populations. This creates a massive imbalance in the number of black people being injured/killed by police. Whether or not you think this is a result of cops targeting poor black people or not the truth is that overall black people are receiving the worst treatment in part due to many living in urban areas. We also have instances like the war on drugs especially pot laws and crack laws specifically where despite being the same as powdered cocaine, crack is treated harsher.
I think this is true. But a lot of the same people that will say they aren't racist will call you a racist for pointing it out. There's the ability to believe that black people get far worse treatment in their communities because of systemic reasons while also believing that it's up that same culture to change their situation. They are not mutually exclusive thoughts.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 10:56 am to Damone
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The problem with cops today is deep-seated and started about 40 years ago when the US began advancing its War on Drugs. It began in the inner cities of large metropolitan areas and then expanded outward to where it’s not even prevalent in little podunk towns with no history of violent crime.
Did the War on Drugs happen because of the drugs themselves or because of the concomitant stratospheric levels of street violence that black leaders back then demanded be stopped?
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It all led to increases in arrests which in turn greatly benefitted the for-profit prison industry. This all resulted in more and more federal money pumped into department budgets which in turn led to the proliferation of the military equipment we now see in every single department. Only entrenching the military occupation mindset now held by nearly all cops.
I don't disagree with everything. I do not like how EBRSO wear olive drab uniforms and routine patrol officers wear tactical vests. It does send a message of occupation over service. JPSO and NOPD patrolling far worse areas of the Westbank can do their jobs without needing a paramilitary look.
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The resulting violence can’t be seen as anything other than expected. It’s by design. Cop violence isn’t a racial thing, it’s a cop thing. Black and brown people just happen to bear the brunt because most police are heavily concentrated in lower-income neighborhoods which they comprise.
Chicken/egg... Why are disproportionate police resources deployed to mainly black neighborhoods? With limited resources that leaves neighborhoods like mine under-policed. So much so that our HOA hires police to work off duty details for adequate police presence. In a functioning society our tax dollars should be enough.I would love to see a redeployment and those neighborhoods that pay the most taxes get the most police services. Unfortunately, those neighborhoods where police would be removed would sink beneath the 9th or 90th ring of hell and descend into Thunderdome'esque levels of dystopian self-inflicted carnage.
This post was edited on 1/28/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:20 am to Odysseus32
One could say the inner city anti cop culture is due in part because of the history with police. It’s a vicious cycle that keeps repeating itself. Extremely poor black kid grows up in a crime ridden in an underdeveloped inner city area, most want out of that life but the only way to have enough money to get out or just stay safe is to be a part of that culture, that causes run ins with the police which are also underdeveloped and often corrupt which causes the kid to hate cops, shite pops off between the community and cops and most of those kids stay in the cycle of shite and all they know is that life and the imprint it onto their own kids.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:29 am to Damone
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most police are heavily concentrated in lower-income neighborhoods
hmm, wonder why.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:55 am to FLTech
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ll I know is that I heard the way the cops talked to each other after the event and they ALL sounded like thug arse gangsters. It was pretty embarrassing listening to them talk like that in a “police” uniform
That's what I got out of it, too. I couldn't tell who was the thugs and who were the cops if i wasn't watching.
That's an issue. Professionalism....
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:57 am to dawgfan24348
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One could say the inner city anti cop culture is due in part because of the history with police
Black people overwhelmingly want more police. This is a white soy boy disease, stop putting it on the back of black people. You bitches are so out of touch.
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As calls to defund and abolish the police grow around the country, a new poll by Gallup finds that a large majority—81 percent—of black Americans want the same or increased levels of police presence in their neighborhoods. Just 19 percent of black Americans said they want the police to spend less time in their neighborhoods
Posted on 1/28/23 at 11:59 am to Eat Your Crow
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In reality, we need to pay cops more.
Yep.
They need to be paid combat pay.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 12:03 pm to dawgfan24348
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The problem is that a lot of this happens in poor urban areas which are usually areas with heavy black populations
Hmmmm, I wonder why?
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This creates a massive imbalance in the number of black people being injured/killed by police.
One demographic commits the VAST MAJORITY of violent crime, yet whites are still being beaten and killed by cops at a HIGHER rate than blacks. Sorry the numbers don't fit your lie.
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We also have instances like the war on drugs especially pot laws and crack laws specifically where despite being the same as powdered cocaine, crack is treated harsher.
This I agree with, but again, you are resorting to drug offenses and not dealing with violent criminals. Despite it being a very violent demographic that interacts with law enforcement more often, their abuse numbers from cops are still less than whites.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 12:03 pm to STEVED00
Media blows everything out of proportion.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 12:04 pm to dawgfan24348
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This creates a massive imbalance in the number of black people being injured/killed by police.
Its hilarious you think this is random, or "systematic."
Go do a deep dive into who commits crimes and where most are committed.
Posted on 1/28/23 at 12:06 pm to EZE Tiger Fan
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This I agree with, but again, you are resorting to drug offenses and not dealing with violent criminals
End drug laws and minor traffic stops and we need far less police.
People need to be allowed to die as a result of their own actions, we shouldn't be nannies.
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