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re: The pronatalist op has begun. It's awesome.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 11:28 pm to DesScorp
Posted on 4/26/26 at 11:28 pm to DesScorp
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Money. Isn't. The Problem. We are. If you really want something, then you'll do what is necessary to get it, sacrificing other things.
Your entire post was very well said. The damn feminist movement of the 70’s screwed everything up. About the only thing you didn’t mention is that women in the workplace is a big part of what adds to the cost. It has pushed wages up, which causes inflation, etc.. It’s the 50’s in my house. As well it should be in most households.
You could even extrapolate the destruction caused by the feminist movement further. Women were no longer home raising the children, so they were in daycare, kids were more screwed up, mommy puts little Timmy on medication, medication screws up Timmy’s brain, now we have school shooters. DemoRats blame guns.
And most people who have children don’t do a cost/benefit analysis. Husband and wife go at it, the wife comes out of the bathroom and the husband yells..”you’re what?? How’d that happen?!” If you waited until you could afford it, nobody would have children.
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Posted on 4/26/26 at 11:37 pm to Jim Rockford
I think that's one of the takeaways in the documentary. There is no remedy since this situation is spread all across the world. It's like a roller coaster that is reaching its peak. It will come down once it crests, and the future generations will have to adapt.
Posted on 4/26/26 at 11:54 pm to mike4lsu
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In the age of AI with prospects of employment dropping, it imprudent to have kids. The more we breed, the more hunger, want, income inequality, poverty and unemployment we will get decades from now.
It is funny, one week the crisis du jour is what to do with all the people when AI and robotics take over all the jobs, the next week it is the looming demographic crisis.
I have lived long enough to see these doomsday scenario crises prove to be overwrought time after time. I grew up in the "Population Bomb" 70's now 50 years later we are concerned about just the opposite.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 1:57 am to SouthEasternKaiju
What would be the birth rate in US if yoh couldn't have an abortion? Would it be at replacement rate or higher?
How many babies have we as a nation aborted the last 5 years?
Eta: according to Chatgpt between 4.3 and 4.6 million babies . Now, let's add that number to actual births...18.1
So thats about 25% of potential kids being killed.
I asked Ai if we were at replacement levels currently and we are not, I asked if we increased it by 25% and yes. Thst would fix it.
So ..yea. there's a crazy thought.
How many babies have we as a nation aborted the last 5 years?
Eta: according to Chatgpt between 4.3 and 4.6 million babies . Now, let's add that number to actual births...18.1
So thats about 25% of potential kids being killed.
I asked Ai if we were at replacement levels currently and we are not, I asked if we increased it by 25% and yes. Thst would fix it.
So ..yea. there's a crazy thought.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 2:05 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 5:13 am to DesScorp
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Money. Isn't. The Problem. We are. If you really want something, then you'll do what is necessary to get it, sacrificing other things.
It kind of is, and kind of isn't.
I've posted before (maybe here, definitely in Poli) about Calhoun's "Universe 25" experiments and the resulting idea of Behavioral sink which came from them. I think what we're seeing is the human version of that.
My thoughts on Universe 25 isn't so much that the rats clumping together was the issue, but that they aren't capable of being bored for long. Without external pressures forcing them to hunt for food, water, safety, mates, etc. they aren't capable of channeling the energy left over from those natural impulses being fully met into something else as productive.
Humans are more capable of doing so, but apparently not infinitely so. Part of the nature of humans is to tame our environment in order to attempt to provide for our basic needs (food, water, shelter, rest, reproduction & clothing). We've found that the best way to do this is to band together to form communities with everyone roughly doing the same. This creates largess which gives the next generation a firmer starting point of having many of those basic needs far more easily met.
Flash-forward to today, where a vast majority of the US population has those basic needs (and some higher order needs) mostly or completely met as a default. Without the need to truly struggle to meet basic needs for generations now, we've begun turning at least part of those energies into manufacturing social aspects into struggles to take their place. Just as with the rats, our population rates are starting to decline as we've become so successful for so long.
We need something external to struggle against together, otherwise we eventually turn that energy inward to making social issues into big enough struggles to take the place of the struggle for those basic order needs. Left running too long, that inward struggle is ultimately self-defeating.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 5:56 am
Posted on 4/27/26 at 5:55 am to Kafka
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Today, it's not a matter of danger. Many women just don't want the inconvenience of children.
Look at places like Reddit, there’s tons of purposely childless couples and purposely childless women crawling all over it. They’re constantly espousing all the benefits of their life that they have more money and time to do what they want to do. Nobody talks about the lack of fulfillment, the missed joy of watching your child take their first steps or holding your child, or the potential lifelong bonds lost. Its so widespread and constantly being pushed upon you that it could even be a psyop by other countries to reduce the US’ population rather than actually organic discussion by a minority of the population
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:05 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Play game. Protect child character.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:16 pm to Upperdecker
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Look at places like Reddit, there’s tons of purposely childless couples and purposely childless women crawling all over it. They’re constantly espousing all the benefits of their life that they have more money and time to do what they want to do. Nobody talks about the lack of fulfillment, the missed joy of watching your child take their first steps or holding your child, or the potential lifelong bonds lost. Its so widespread and constantly being pushed upon you that it could even be a psyop by other countries to reduce the US’ population rather than actually organic discussion by a minority of the population
There's more to life than being able to vacation in the South of France, and I think some of these childfree people are so loud because they're trying to convince themselves. OTOH, parenthood comes with no guarantees either. Children are stillborn, get cancer, fall into drug addiction, grow up to be ungrateful adults who are waiting for you to die so they can inherit your stuff.
Life has a way of being shitty no matter what your circumstance and it's a rare person who doesn't get their fair share of shite.
This post was edited on 4/27/26 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:52 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Maybe it’s just different strokes for different folks.
If you want to have a family and kids, do it.
If you don’t want to, that’s your choice.
Idk why people worry so much about the birth rate declining. If you can’t get your social security boohoo. My generation sure as hell won’t get it.
AI will pick up the slack from the drop in birth rate.
If you want to have a family and kids, do it.
If you don’t want to, that’s your choice.
Idk why people worry so much about the birth rate declining. If you can’t get your social security boohoo. My generation sure as hell won’t get it.
AI will pick up the slack from the drop in birth rate.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:52 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:54 pm to Deuces
This has more to do with getting your SS checks or not. It's about preserving a national identity, a culture. Whether it's England, Japan, or the USA.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 8:56 pm to SouthEasternKaiju
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This has more to do with getting your SS checks or not. It's about preserving a national identity, a culture. Whether it's England, Japan, or the USA.
Your issue is immigration, not the birth rate declining.
Without immigration, there’s nothing to worry about when it comes to culture and identity.
Posted on 4/27/26 at 10:29 pm to mike4lsu
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In the age of AI with prospects of employment dropping, it's imprudent to have kids. The more we breed, the more hunger, want, income inequality, poverty and unemployment we will get decades from now.
And the higher the shareholder profit margins will go. "Awesome"
Posted on 4/28/26 at 4:49 am to Deuces
Low local birth rates invite outside immigration. It’s pretty simple, actually.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 8:53 am to mike4lsu
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The more we breed, the more hunger, want, income inequality, poverty and unemployment we will get decades from now.
Yes, bc instead of breeding native sons and daughters, we’ll be replaced with the third world. Population isn’t falling everywhere and we WILL be replaced if we allow it.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 9:09 am to Obtuse1
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It is funny, one week the crisis du jour is what to do with all the people when AI and robotics take over all the jobs, the next week it is the looming demographic crisis. I have lived long enough to see these doomsday scenario crises prove to be overwrought time after time. I grew up in the "Population Bomb" 70's now 50 years later we are concerned about just the opposite.
Camp of the saints came true
Posted on 4/28/26 at 11:07 am to biglego
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Yes, bc instead of breeding native sons and daughters, we’ll be replaced with the third world. Population isn’t falling everywhere and we WILL be replaced if we allow it.
Good have 10 children and then when you cannot put food on the table let them out on the street to fend for themselves.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 11:08 am to biglego
Good....let us breed like rabbits then
Posted on 4/28/26 at 11:20 am to mike4lsu
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In the age of AI with prospects of employment dropping, it imprudent to have kids. The more we breed, the more hunger, want, income inequality, poverty and unemployment we will get decades from now.
All of history would say otherwise.
Posted on 4/28/26 at 5:07 pm to mike4lsu
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Good have 10 children and then when you cannot put food on the table let them out on the street to fend for themselves.
The alternative is to be replaced with 10 Somalians who will happily take the government handouts.
You don’t need 10 kids…you need 3.
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