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re: The leg’s hospital experience

Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:13 am to
Posted by TigerCoon
Member since Nov 2005
18861 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:13 am to
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She said she had seen entire families die from Covid


100% I would have told her "You made that up".
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:14 am to
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There's the link so you can read the exact same thing I posted


While certainly enlightening, it is one study...not studies. It does give me something to look into though. Thanks for the information.


This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 10:15 am
Posted by UpToPar
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2008
22155 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:15 am to
That study, to which you provided no link, does not support your statement. You said that the antibody levels from previously infected individuals are much more inconsistent than vaccinated individuals.

This study says that the antibodies generated in response to the vaccine may be more effective at fighting off new variants. The study (really the article you quoted that is reporting on the study) speculates that the antibodies generated in response to the vaccine might be more effective at fighting off unknown variants simply because they appeared to be broader in their response.

quote:

These findings suggest that natural immunity and vaccine-generated immunity to SARS-CoV-2 will differ in how they recognize new viral variants. What’s more, antibodies acquired with the help of a vaccine may be more likely to target new SARS-CoV-2 variants potently, even when the variants carry new mutations in the RBD.


quote:

Also, it’s possible that mRNA delivery may change the way antigens are presented to the immune system, leading to differences in the antibodies that get produced. A third difference is that natural infection only exposes the body to the virus in the respiratory tract (unless the illness is very severe), while the vaccine is delivered to muscle, where the immune system may have an even better chance of seeing it and responding vigorously.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:17 am to
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Why? You think that means I’m repressing my natural gay tendencies? You think I was born that way?


Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:23 am to
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Penrod


Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:25 am to
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Not true. Tiger droppings is social media.

Also, what is the NIH study that you referenced


Both of these have been addressed.

quote:

This is a social media platform. This is true. I suppose I don’t consider TD to be social media in the traditional sense (Facebook, Twitter, Instawhore etc.). My take was / is incorrect.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 10:28 am
Posted by DeltaTigerDelta
Member since Jan 2017
11294 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:27 am to
PCIHB
(Put covid in her butt)
Posted by tes fou
Member since Feb 2014
838 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:30 am to
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Now, a new NIH-supported study shows that the answer to this question will vary based on how an individual’s antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 were generated: over the course of a naturally acquired infection or from a COVID-19 vaccine. The new evidence shows that protective antibodies generated in response to an mRNA vaccine will target a broader range of SARS-CoV-2 variants carrying “single letter” changes in a key portion of their spike protein compared to antibodies acquired from an infection.

This is the fake news part

These results add to evidence that people with acquired immunity may have differing levels of protection to emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants. More importantly, the data provide further documentation that those who’ve had and recovered from a COVID-19 infection still stand to benefit from getting vaccinated.

and this

These latest findings come from Jesse Bloom, Allison Greaney, and their team at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, Seattle. In an earlier study, this same team focused on the receptor binding domain (RBD), a key region of the spike protein that studs SARS-CoV-2’s outer surface. This RBD is especially important because the virus uses this part of its spike protein to anchor to another protein called ACE2 on human cells before infecting them. That makes RBD a prime target for both naturally acquired antibodies and those generated by vaccines. Using a method called deep mutational scanning, the Seattle group’s previous study mapped out all possible mutations in the RBD that would change the ability of the virus to bind ACE2 and/or for RBD-directed antibodies to strike their targets.

In their new study, published in the journal Science Translational Medicine, Bloom, Greaney, and colleagues looked again to the thousands of possible RBD variants to understand how antibodies might be expected to hit their targets there [1]. This time, they wanted to explore any differences between RBD-directed antibodies based on how they were acquired.

Again, they turned to deep mutational scanning. First, they created libraries of all 3,800 possible RBD single amino acid mutants and exposed the libraries to samples taken from vaccinated individuals and unvaccinated individuals who’d been previously infected. All vaccinated individuals had received two doses of the Moderna mRNA vaccine. This vaccine works by prompting a person’s cells to produce the spike protein, thereby launching an immune response and the production of antibodies.

By closely examining the results, the researchers uncovered important differences between acquired immunity in people who’d been vaccinated and unvaccinated people who’d been previously infected with SARS-CoV-2. Specifically, antibodies elicited by the mRNA vaccine were more focused to the RBD compared to antibodies elicited by an infection, which more often targeted other portions of the spike protein. Importantly, the vaccine-elicited antibodies targeted a broader range of places on the RBD than those elicited by natural infection.

These findings suggest that natural immunity and vaccine-generated immunity to SARS-CoV-2 will differ in how they recognize new viral variants. What’s more, antibodies acquired with the help of a vaccine may be more likely to target new SARS-CoV-2 variants potently, even when the variants carry new mutations in the RBD.

It’s not entirely clear why these differences in vaccine- and infection-elicited antibody responses exist. In both cases, RBD-directed antibodies are acquired from the immune system’s recognition and response to viral spike proteins. The Seattle team suggests these differences may arise because the vaccine presents the viral protein in slightly different conformations.

Also, it’s possible that mRNA delivery may change the way antigens are presented to the immune system, leading to differences in the antibodies that get produced. A third difference is that natural infection only exposes the body to the virus in the respiratory tract (unless the illness is very severe), while the vaccine is delivered to muscle, where the immune system may have an even better chance of seeing it and responding vigorously.


not exactly backed by any real data


Whatever the underlying reasons turn out to be, it’s important to consider that humans are routinely infected and re-infected with other common coronaviruses, which are responsible for the common cold. It’s not at all unusual to catch a cold from seasonal coronaviruses year after year. That’s at least in part because those viruses tend to evolve to escape acquired immunity, much as SARS-CoV-2 is now in the process of doing.

The good news so far is that, unlike the situation for the common cold, we have now developed multiple COVID-19 vaccines. The evidence continues to suggest that acquired immunity from vaccines still offers substantial protection against the new variants now circulating around the globe.

The hope is that acquired immunity from the vaccines will indeed produce long-lasting protection against SARS-CoV-2 and bring an end to the pandemic. These new findings point encouragingly in that direction. They also serve as an important reminder to roll up your sleeve for the vaccine if you haven’t already done so, whether or not you’ve had COVID-19. Our best hope of winning this contest with the virus is to get as many people immunized now as possible. That will save lives, and reduce the likelihood of even more variants appearing that might evade protection from the current vaccines.



This is about as well defined as "hope and change"

The entire study says, it may be, we hope, the findings suggest. In other words the entire hypothesis is conjecture. This isn't science its pure f'n garbage.

If you passed even the most basic science classes in high school you should have enough intelligence to see through every bit of the garbage we're all being fed. Just read the actual text these people are citing, none of it ever supports their claims, and if it does it will likely be exposed as fraud and withdrawn as countless studies have been.

Go read this about PCR tests:
Was the COVID-19 Test Meant to Detect a Virus?
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 10:34 am
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3495 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 10:53 am to
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I seriously want to go back to the dick pill thread and see all the posters taking that shite that also say “ I would never put this vaccine in my body”



Does the vaccine give me a blue veined throbber? This could be a game changer.
Posted by lsubuddy
houma, la
Member since Jul 2014
4300 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:14 am to
THEY TELL US WHAT THEY WANT US TO KNOW ON ALL TOPICS!! My biggest thing is ; for years our scientists and geniuses have been working on developing vaccines/ cures for cancer, aids, numerous things. Now in 4-5 months they've developed this vaccine and we're supposed to believe this 100% ?
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34146 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:29 am to
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You simply get advice from a message board that recommends horse parasitic medicine and over the internet peptides to help their dicks work


Ummm - this never happened.



ETA

Then again...I have gotten advice from TD on occasion (and it has been most helpful in pretty much every instance), and those two things that you mentioned have been posted.
I stand corrected.



This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 11:32 am
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3703 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:31 am to
Going to the ER is a crap shoot.My wife is a NP and neighbors are often call her.
One neighbor,had a port for chemotherapy.She went to ER with shortness of breath,they gave her meds for sinus infection and sent her home.Called my wife,she went to see her,her head was swollen like a pumpkin and she was breathing 40x/min.Sent her back to ER and called the Dr,Did cat scan this time,she had clot in her superior vena cava and multiple blood clots in her lungs.Admitted to ICU.
Another neighbor went to ER with flank pain radiating into his groin.Told him he had twisted testicle and sent him home with pain meds.Thing is,he really had no pain in his testicle.She got him in with urologist next day and guess what?He had kidney stone.
If he truly had a twisted testicle,they should have called a urologist to reduce it or take him to surgery.
Things I saw in my hospital career I have no trouble believing that medical errors are the 3rd leading cause of death,as concluded by Harvard Medical School.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164137 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 11:52 am to
Only way to get a progressive woman to stop talking is to grope her
Posted by jmon
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
8415 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:04 pm to
Well, the "leg" apparently doesn't work in a hospital, so perhaps his perception is skewed, too.

Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27409 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:05 pm to
Which hospital?
Posted by jmon
Mandeville, LA
Member since Oct 2010
8415 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

By ignoring data and then lying about her experiences?


Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
3703 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:20 pm to
Two different hospitals in central Louisiana,take a guess.
Posted by gadknot
Reality
Member since Jul 2005
37306 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:34 pm to
Why did you go to the ER in the first place when you could have just listened to a Joe Rogan podcast and saved the money?
Posted by mark65mc
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
11281 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:34 pm to
There is a competition for government $ that we are not being told about. There's even a scoreboard for it.

Posted by Purplehaze
spring, tx
Member since Dec 2003
1793 posts
Posted on 7/30/21 at 12:37 pm to
Facts

1. No vaccine is 100%
2. the longer you wait to get the vaccine, the greater chance you have of either getting Covid 19 or spreading it.
3. You may not die from Covid but the whole hospitalization and recovery appears to be a quite miserable experience.
4. You can still get it or spread it if you are vaccinated but your level of illness will not be as severe.
5. Chances are you will infect your loved ones by not wearing the mask and then bringing the crud home with you.

The conclusions are simple. This is a evolving disease. Get the vaccine. Continue wearing the mask. Follow the evolving guidelines. Or don't do it and watch yourself, friends and loved ones go through this agony so you can preserve your "rights" to your personal freedom.
This post was edited on 7/30/21 at 12:38 pm
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